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Credit where it's due a DECENT performances against Blackburn and Napoli. Obdurate against Bolton and Chelsea (with a little individual inspiration thrown in). However, I don't think that players or fans see a bright future with Roy as manager.
dictionary's out boys. 
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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Credit where it's due a DECENT performances against Blackburn and Napoli. Obdurate against Bolton and Chelsea (with a little individual inspiration thrown in). However, I don't think that players or fans see a bright future with Roy as manager.
dictionary's out boys. 
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Benitez was a monster and a tyrant, he got off lightly with the critism he got after the time and money he wasted, if it was up to me I would of took the fellers passport off him and banned him from ever setting foot in this country again, horrible man that... And the way Hodgson treats his players in the press is not something done by a "monster and a tyrant", then? Question: you seem overly concerned that Benitez was a foreigner, so is it not true that you're mainly supporting Roy because he is English? You're as stubborn as he is, though you came out in defense of Lucas in another thread which I found surprising seeing as Benitez bought him. Lucas is a fans scapegoat and does'nt deserve the unfair stick he gets, theres a waster like Torres who all season has sulked, spat his dummy out and shown body language thats shows he clearly does'nt want to be here yet nobody says a word, yet Lucas no matter how bad he plays, never hides, never gives up and you can see he really wants to be here and do well gets slammed, it just does'nt add up. Thanks for answering the questions in my post; I have now confirmed my suspicions as to your motives in these forums. Lucas gets a lot of stick because people have seen him fail over the last 3 seasons to live up to the standard Alonso set. Even though Alonso was only that good during one season, and Lucas has improved dramatically over time, Lucas will always been seen by many as inferior until he manages to surpass Alonso (assuming he ever does), even though he is not the same kind of player. Having said all that, one must still question whether he is top 4 club quality as a first choice midfielder; squad backup/rotation, certainly. But first choice? Can't say he's there yet. But I can see you're only getting involved in this debate because you're just upset with the fans, and mainly for disagreeing that Torres is the cause of all our ills rather than that magnificent English stud of a manager we have. You're just trying to find more excuses for how fickle we are without realizing you're being fickle in your criticism of Torres, who over the past few seasons has outscored EVERY Liverpool striker for this club in the EPL for their first few seasons, and who continues to have a major influence on the scoreline each time he plays, either via goals or assists, DESPITE the team taking the field with negative tactics that alienate a lone striker to the point of essentially playing 10 men from the first whistle (9 men if you count Poulsen). If your manager put you on the field and then essentially didn't give you any support, you would also struggle to keep playing for him, mate, so drop the holier-than-thou attitude; it doesn't suit you. Lucas is still learning his trade, and has accepted that criticism can make him stronger (and by and large it has). Torres, by comparison, should be at the top of his game at a progressive club that can challenge for honours, but instead suddenly finds himself at a club where new his role is practically impossible FOR ANYONE to perform with any consistency, and still gets criticized for it! Who's being "unfair and shabby" now? Pot (to kettle): You are black.
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That sounds just like a proper winner mentality, Reclaim!
'Defend the weak' and 'Feck off the strong' is the best way forwards then?
'All' our good players (about 3 persons) can just feck off, 'cause they're only lazy. The other players further down the pecking order on the other hand obviously need support from everywhere.
And the same goes for the crap manager. Since he's weak You per definition defend him! Rafa made some good things with the team in his days, which means he needs to be slugged off!
Truely logical!! I dont care how good a player is, if he does'nt show the right commitment, attitude or desire to play for us then he can leave, Lucas may not be good enough but you cant fault his commitment towards the Club which is more than Torres has showed this season and most of last apart from a few isolated games.
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Benitez was a monster and a tyrant, he got off lightly with the critism he got after the time and money he wasted, if it was up to me I would of took the fellers passport off him and banned him from ever setting foot in this country again, horrible man that... And the way Hodgson treats his players in the press is not something done by a "monster and a tyrant", then? Question: you seem overly concerned that Benitez was a foreigner, so is it not true that you're mainly supporting Roy because he is English? You're as stubborn as he is, though you came out in defense of Lucas in another thread which I found surprising seeing as Benitez bought him. Lucas is a fans scapegoat and does'nt deserve the unfair stick he gets, theres a waster like Torres who all season has sulked, spat his dummy out and shown body language thats shows he clearly does'nt want to be here yet nobody says a word, yet Lucas no matter how bad he plays, never hides, never gives up and you can see he really wants to be here and do well gets slammed, it just does'nt add up. It's not unfair stick mate, he simply isn't good enough. It's not an opinion, it's FACT and the weekend showed this as clear as the nose on your face. So am I right in saying that you think he deserves to stay there because he tries hard. Crap I'd try hard out there too but it doesn't mean I should be in the team. Trying hard doesn't make a good player. Jamie Carragher has played nearly 650 games for the Club and has got by on the same major qualities Lucas has showed even though Jamie has more of them, if I said name Jamie's main attributes hardly any would be footballing qualities.
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Jamie's ability to read the game and see the play before it happens was his main attribute. This has changed recently as he doesn't have the same speed of reaction as he once had. But if you were playing him in midfield then i would be calling for his head. In defence you can get away with pure desire and effort but you need more in midfield. You need to be able to pass to the guys in front of you and you need to be able to create something out of nothing.
Look mate lets just agree to disagree. Nothing is going to change my mind on Lucas. 3 years is long enough, time to give someone else a crack.
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