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He has played well in some big games but he has never won the games major honours on a regular basis so therefore cannot be classed as world class, was Mathew Le Tissier world class because he had as much talent and ability as Paul Gascoine but both never won a single major honour as in internationaly, league or Champions league. Liverpool's best player in the second champions league final with Milan was Jermain Pennant which says it all about playing well in big games, Gerrard was annonamous that night.
If Alan Shearer would of signed for United he would of won about five league titles and about two champions leagues he would of earned the same world class tag as Roy Keane or Ryan Giggs but instead he chose Newcastle United who never provided the platform his undoubted ability deserved and it's the same with Gerarrd if he signed for Chelsea or United in the last 5 seasons he would of had about 3 leagues and maybe one or two champions leagues by the age of 29 and would of rightly been regarded the best in the world alongside Henri at the time and players like Messi, Kaka and Ronaldo now.
Because he chose to stay at Liverpool and up to now with no leagues or any more champions leagues, from a career point of view looks to be a mistake and a bad move, ofcorse we are all as fans very happy he did but if he finishes his career with no more leagues or champions leagues I think he will see it as a big regret that he never moved when he had the chance.
I think Torres situation at Athletico is similar to what Gerrard is in now, that he was the figure head of the club and the clubs best player Torres knew that Athletico were never going to provide him with the platform to be the player people think he can be so he took the plunge and moved to a bigger club who would compete at a higher level than Athletico which was us, Torres knows that although Liverpool are a bigger club than Athletico we are not one of the giants of the game who regulary win the games top honours so therefore he will use us as a stepping stone to one of those clubs in the next two seasons when he is playing at his peak, thats the way top class footballers plan there careers so that they are in certain situations at certain times of there careers, Liverpool will have made him a better player for when he moves to a giant to fufill his destiny, he wont do it at us am afraid.

ged you are a spanner. bottom line is torres and gerrard are world class. as is essien even though i hate to admit it. just because you dont win honours doesnt mean you arent a world class player. world class to me means you can play for anyone in the world, championship class means you are championship level etc

There is no way Maradonna would of been where he is without winning the World Cup, Zidane without winning World Cups, Champions Leagues and Leagues in two different countries same as Thierri Henri, they are all where they are because of what they won and because they were special doing it, thats what greatness is measured in. Why do you think Liverpool was such a special club all those years ago, not because we played good football, had a stadium with a tremendos atmosphere, or the famous Spion Kop the reason was because we were the best team and won things nothing more nothing less, we had 20 years of nothing but winning trophies.
Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres have the potential ability to be world class but they will never do until Liverpool as a football club provide them with a platform to produce there ability on which means winning Leagues or Champions Leagues. Just one question for all those people who think Gerrard would get into a worlds best 11 team in what position would that be in? as for me he is the best all round player in the world but not really special in one specific position, I dont think he is the best forward in the world, the best defensive or attacker midfielder in the world or best right midfielder in the world. he is just the best all rounder so for me he would'nt get into a best 11.

World class = Would be selected to play in their position in a current world team over any other player from any country/league.

World class is not a measure of acheivement, it is a measure of ability and quality in comparison to all other players irrespective of their nationality.

so by your 'logic' george best must have been crap coz he never even qualified for the world cup!

World class = Would be selected to play in their position in a current world team over any other player from any country/league.

World class is not a measure of acheivement, it is a measure of ability and quality in comparison to all other players irrespective of their nationality.

i agree completely stuey

i was replying to ged's comments not yours mate lol

Would Zinedine Zidane or Maradonna be where they were if they never won any of the games major honours?

yes because they were magic on the field

Gerrard would not get in ahead of Danny Alvez at right back am afraid even though Gerarrd could probably play that position, Gerrard might get away with playing up front for Liverpool in most games but there is no way in a million years he is a top class forward, he's a midfielder. Gerrard is a fantastic all round player the best in the world at it, but for me he is not special in any one single position as i said name a position in the world 11 team and I will tell you someone better than him in it, like i mentioned Alvez.