KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Would a season like last season be good enough?

That's why Rafa wanted the transfers over and done with b4 the pre-season started, so the new addidtions would heave time to get use to our type of play/formation, so that going into the league then the players would at least be use to the game plan.

Wow, when you get a hard-on for a player, it really does stay hard doesn't it?

Are we going to have a Doyle style 'every single post mentioning how Rafa should sign the same player day in day out until the player inevitably signs for someone else'?

He'll probably sign for Wolves.

much as i hate to do it i have to agree with emp that senna is a quality player ....... he is first choice for spain ahead of alonso and i have to say in a lot of respects he is a better player

BUT he is a lot older and has probably peaked already ..... plus the prices quoted for him are ridiculous for a player of his age!

Ok hypothetical i know but if we do have a similar season to 2008/09 track the champions whoever they eventually are to be flirt with the CL do nothing in the domestic cups whats happens then ?

It's nothing to do with how good a player he is, I was more going on about the fact that his name is now going to be mentioned in every thread regardless of what the topic is.

No, but there's at least another 2 or 3 threads on here where you mention Senna coming in as a replacement. You're right though, i'm getting ahead of myself.

@ Fazakerly red. Depends really, if we get close playing the kind of football we played in the 2nd half of last season, i think people will be dissapointed but still optimistic for 2010/11. If some of the more negative side to Rafa's approach comes back and we don't win anything I think people will start (or continue) to question him.

Am sorry am very hard to please when talking about what is world class and what is not, for me world class is a level and not a performance and whatsmore it is bandied about far to easily these days where a player only has to have a good tournament to be called world class which I happen to think is wrong and well wide of the mark. Senna may of had a good Euro's but did'nt our very own Phil Babb have a good world cup in America i 1994 and I would hardly say he was world class. To be World Class you have to be special in your position and also you have to of produced it in the biggest games and won the games biggest honours, I know it's a tall order but thats why the World Class tag is so special, not many people have achieved it enough. For me playing in Europe now there is probably only Messi, Ronaldo, Xavi, Eto and Kaka who can claim to be true world class players alongside players from the past including the likes of Zidane, Figo, Rivaldo and Henri e.t.c. However there are few players who have potential to reach that standard but have'nt achieved enough major honours or consistantly played well at the top in the game just yet to be classed at that and am talking about players like Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Essien, Inniesta and Torres to name but a few.

I'm world class on FIFA 09. Can I play

Ged and Emp, I think you both make valid points. I tend to agree with Emp a little more however becuase just becuase you haven't won trophies doesn't mean you are not world class. Players such as Gerrard, Essien and Iniesta I believe are world class and as Emp said would probably be walk up starters for any team in the world!! That to me makes a player world class!!
I do agree also with you Ged..believe it or not, that the term does get thrown around far too easily! It takes a lot of excellent performances over many seasons and the ability to produce when it matters to even be thought of as that!

Alrite if you dont need to win things to be world class you name me a player who is genuine world class who has not won the games major honours on more than one or two occasion's, Zidane world cups, champions leagues, European championships leagues in Italy and Spain, Henri the same, Maradonna World Cups and leagues in Italy, Rivaldo world cups and leagues you see thats what sets them apart, actualy winning them trophies and being special doing it is what makes them different from players who are just very good. Steven Gerrard is a wonderful player but will never be world class playing for Liverpool and thats the bottom line unless Liverpool start winning Leagues and Champions Leagues soon, you have to win the games biggest honours it's what sets Liverpool ahead of Everton, Ajax ahead of Feynoord, Benfica ahead of Sporting and Bayern ahead of someone like Hamburg. Steven Gerrard has a decision to make similar to what Alan Shearer made when leaving Blackburn, you either want to be regarded as a true world class player or you let your heart rule your head and go for the safe option of being a true club legend, you cant be both. Do you honestly think Zidane would of been the best player in the world if he had stayed at his home town club of Marseille, Rivaldo if he had stayed at Corinthians in Brazil, Henri or Platini if he stayed in France no because they needed to play for clubs who won the games major honours and provide a platform to show the world how good they really are. Its all about winning, greatness is measured in success.