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I thought that rafa had said ony recently that Mascherano was not for sale at any price? Didnt he also say that Alonso was staying at the same press conference (might be wrong about that)

So just because players all over the world do it that makes it alright does it. Michael Owen is about to sign for United and he has'nt been our player for years but you can bet your bottom dollar there will be Liverpool fans and alot of them at that very upset that he is going there. Leto played for Olympiakos and is now moving to local rivals Panathinikos am sorry but if he had any sort of feelings for the fans of Olympiakos he would'nt sign for them money or no money, lets face it there are probably alot of other clubs out there he could of gone to. Your kidding yourself if you think fans dont mind if a player that played for them and they idolise or like sign for there greatest rivals it's just an unseen rule you dont break, Barmby broke it, Figo Broke it and a certain Maurice Johnston broke it years ago. South Americans and because of where they come from have a different outlook on there footballing careers similar to Africans it is not a racist comment just an outside view, they see football as an escape from countries where life and culture is alot different to Europe you only have to look at the poverty players like Maradonna, Romario, George Weah, El Hadj Douf e.t.c. came from before they made it big.

I'm confused, by the tone of this topic it sounds like Alonso and Masch have already signed and left. Rafa has said they won't be leaving for any amount and if they did I would trust him to get enough money for them to get adequate replacements.

You all need to calm down and think things through. Everyone from the club has denied that they will be moving anywhere. The only people that are talking about it are [oops] journos, players agents and the other clubs trying to unsettle our players.

Both Masch and Alonso have said they are happy here so what is the problem. Relax and stop believing everything that is written in the paper.

In regards to the players switching between rivals etc. While some players will understand the rivalry between local clubs (Torres). There will always be others that it doesn't matter as much to them. I don't see why theres big fuss over Leto moving to Panathanikos. Hes not greek and he had a bust up with the other manager. Tevez is a little more iffy but I think his agent is behind that move more than he is.

I have lost a lot of respect for Michael Owen after hes moved to the mancs but if you think of it from his perspective the move makes sense. He wasn't our player anymore and chose Newcastle over us so I wasn't too fussed on resigning him even on a free.

Be glad that the mancs have resorted to signing a crock from a relegated team and Valencia. You can dress it up how you want but there team looks a hell of a lot weaker than it did last year.

I think we will get Rafas one more signing. Hopefully a flair player in the mould of Silva or Mata. Arbeloa might go but we should get a decent return on him. I don't think Dossena will be leaving this summer now that Aurelio is injured but I don't mind him sharing first team duties with Insua.

Keep the faith lads number 19 is on its way.

The players are on their holidays. Transfer market is full rumours. Xabi is not ruling a move out and the same goes for Mascherano, lets face it.

Real Madrid and Barcelona projects are very exciting indeed. But if they thought long and hard about it, winning liverpool 1st Premier League title, they would be heroes for the rest of their life.

We have a title winning SETTLED team. Unlike our rivals. We need to keep Alonso & Mascherano. And add another quality player.

To be perfectly honest i was never a fan of playing with two defensive midfielders in the same midfield, always felt it was boring, too safe and far too negative, alrite it made the defence more solid having the extra one there but when we attacked we were always a man light in the opponents half of the field. The way games are in the league now you have to be brave, attack and most importantly gamble on getting a victory even if it means risking a loss, this is what makes United so strong and so successful they play the game in the opponents half of the field so that any weakness they have at the back cant be exploited. The big minus for me with Benitez is he is far too cautious and pays the opposition far to much respect, instead of letting the players off the leash like he did in the final two months of the season he gets bogged down in mind numbing tactics which complicate the team and baffle the fans instead of just letting the opposition worry about us. I think myself personaly it will be Benitez last season in charge if we dont win the league and he will only have himself to blame by not allowing his teams to play in the manner in which we finished last season in previous seasons, lets just hope the new manager whoever he is or whenever he comes in sets his team out with the philosophy of letting oppositions worry about us instead of the other way around.

well we appear to be asking £50 milion for Monster, Barca have other priorities, I think he'll stay.

Having Xabi and Masch in the midfield is essential to how we play. Xabi is hardly a defensive midfielder anyway. He is as involved in the build up for our attacks as he is in our defense.

If Benitez gets the sack after this year we will only go backwards. Hes finally got control of the academy and making the changes that he wants. It took Ferguson 7 years to win his first title I think Rafa deserves as much. Who else would of put up with the [oops] that he has over the past 5 years?

COXY i agree with you.....

Sometimes you need to go backwards in order to go forwards, if we never would of gone Backwards under Houllier we would never of been able to go forwards to a point with Benitez and thats how it works. Xabi Alonso is a defensive midfielder just like Michael Carrick at United and Xavi at Barca these types of defensive midfielders are the modern types which are coming through in the game, the days are numbered for old fashioned 1970's type defensive midfielders who tackle and nothing else like Hamann, Batty, Makele, Robbie Savage and Mascherano, we have just witnessed Barcelona domimnating the best team in the world at the time with Xavi and Inniesta and walking away with the biggest cup in the game so you see midfield spoilers are not the way to go in todays game. Benitez for me will be gone at the end of next season if as expected we dont win the league and for what it's worth our American owners would not be doing whats best for the club if he was allowed to stay on, 6 years without a league trophy is a disgrace for our club and anyone who says it's not or makes another bad excuse for the Spaniard cant honestly say they want whats best for the Club. If you look at what Benitez is doing he's acting like a bit of a dictator he got shut of Parry which was a major obstacle in his way, next he got shut of club stalwarts like Hugh McCauley, Gary Ablet soon followed just a year after winning the reserve league and noe he is bringing in a load of Spanish Yes men two more this week not including Dalglish, he is surrounding himself with people who wont say no to him or oppose and decisions he wants to make, this way he is worming his way further and further into the club so it will be really difficult to sack him, this mam is very clever and manipulates the fans and press who could ever forget " am concentrating on coaching my team" statement or his Ferguson rant which ultimately cost us the league.

First you lable all south americans as greedy and just thinking about money then you say it's every one. Make up your mind.

And so what if they are doing it to make as much money as they can to support their families. Is this such a bad thing? I would want to support my family too if I was in their position. Alot of these players from south america come from very poor upbringings and only want to see their own living in the same comfort that the majority of us take for granted.