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FSG never brought in Hodgson, he was already there when they bought us. As I said, we were a mess when they bought us, so yeah, it wasn't all good, they were new to football and took advice from others to buy the likes of Andy Carroll etc.
I would not call FSG mid-table owners when they have delivered the PL & CL in the last 3 season.
Yes Hodgson was there, my mistake. I am calling them midtable owners based on investment they made, this was my criteria and it's factual, as for the cups that were delivered, we all know it was Klopp's miracle Fair enough, they are midtable investment wise, as you say, that is due to good recruitment/management by Klopp & Edwards/team, not really FSG, though they sign the cheques, but they have learnt from their moneyball ways and spending big on the likes of Carroll & Downing. Lots of owners have spent allot more and ended empty handed with big debts, so that is good management by FSG to bring the right people in, I don't know how much I put down to good luck or good recruitment by FSG, Klopp was available for a while on his sabbatical and reportedly turned down a few offers, including Man Utd, so whatever FSG offered/promised worked to recruit him, so I'd say that is good work by FSG. It was Klopp's and his team good work/miracle that won the cups, but without FSG we do not have Klopp, so they should be given some credit IMO. My concern is miracles happen once if you are very lucky, this team needs rebuilding/strengthening, some players appear to have passed their peak, so asking Klopp to repeat that miracle will be very difficult. The interesting thing is that our wage bill is very large now, second to City's, as we have paid based on performance (best way), but the recent success means our top players are some of the top earners in the PL, but that means if we sell the likes of Firmino/Mane etc, their large wages can be used to recruit quality replacements. What makes you think we wouldn't have got Klopp without FSG, it's not like he only wanted to play for them? FSG hired him, he reportedly turned down a few clubs, so who knows under different owners if he would have joined, what FSG said/promised Klopp worked.
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So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.
I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical
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So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.
I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical All I am saying is they hired Klopp, so they deserve credit for that, I am not saying Klopp joined us because of his long desire to work with FSG lol FSG lucked out with a great choice, but they made the choice.
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So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.
I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical All I am saying is they hired Klopp, so they deserve credit for that, I am not saying Klopp joined us because of his long desire to work with FSG lol FSG lucked out with a great choice, but they made the choice. Yes they made the choice, but anybody would have done that, would you have kept Rodgers in that struggling start of the season especially with the debacle the season before? Which other proven coach was available then? A school boy or girl watching a bit of football would have made that choice.
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So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.
I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical All I am saying is they hired Klopp, so they deserve credit for that, I am not saying Klopp joined us because of his long desire to work with FSG lol FSG lucked out with a great choice, but they made the choice. Yes they made the choice, but anybody would have done that, would you have kept Rodgers in that struggling start of the season especially with the debacle the season before? Which other proven coach was available then? A school boy or girl watching a bit of football would have made that choice. Not sure that anybody would have hired Klopp as a certainty or even kept him after 3 years of not winnig a trophy? There was a big clamour from a section of fans to have Ancelloti, which is understandable because he is a top class manager but those people were also saying that Klopp wouldn't be successful in England and that 'Winning the bundesliga doesn't mean much'. Remember at the time we were not winning anything and were finishing mid table, we were not a club that was going to necessarily entice a "top manager" automatically as you say. We were linked with all sorts of rubbish like Klinsmann and De Boer and how have those worked out? There were people on this forum still questioning Klopps appointment right up until he won the Champions League so to make a choice and stick with it for 4 years and not making a panic decision is a good bit of ownership. No need to look a gift horse in the mouth... Klopp was a great appointment and we are lucky he wanted to come. It was good management to not pull the plug after 3 years of not having a trophy because they may have been looking at the bigger picture unlike a lot of people on here.
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So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.
I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical All I am saying is they hired Klopp, so they deserve credit for that, I am not saying Klopp joined us because of his long desire to work with FSG lol FSG lucked out with a great choice, but they made the choice. Yes they made the choice, but anybody would have done that, would you have kept Rodgers in that struggling start of the season especially with the debacle the season before? Which other proven coach was available then? A school boy or girl watching a bit of football would have made that choice. Not sure that anybody would have hired Klopp as a certainty or even kept him after 3 years of not winnig a trophy? There was a big clamour from a section of fans to have Ancelloti, which is understandable because he is a top class manager but those people were also saying that Klopp wouldn't be successful in England and that 'Winning the bundesliga doesn't mean much'. Remember at the time we were not winning anything and were finishing mid table, we were not a club that was going to necessarily entice a "top manager" automatically as you say. We were linked with all sorts of rubbish like Klinsmann and De Boer and how have those worked out? There were people on this forum still questioning Klopps appointment right up until he won the Champions League so to make a choice and stick with it for 4 years and not making a panic decision is a good bit of ownership. No need to look a gift horse in the mouth... Klopp was a great appointment and we are lucky he wanted to come. It was good management to not pull the plug after 3 years of not having a trophy because they may have been looking at the bigger picture unlike a lot of people on here. Was Ancelotti available then, dont remember
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I remember Ancelotti being heavily linked to us at the time, he was sacked at RM May 2015 and took a new role at Bayern in Summer 2016 replacing Pep, so was available. On Paper Ancelotti had a much better record than Klopp, having won lots of trophies at different big clubs/leagues as player and manager, whereas Klopp had success at Dortmund with 2 titles, but had lost several finals incl CL and at the time lots of people questioned going for Klopp rather than Ancelotti.
As it is, I think Ancelotti would have been a good manager for us, not sure if he would have achieved what Klopp has, we will never know.
Didn't FSG meet Klinsmann towards then end of Rodgers reign? I remember it being reported in the press and I think FSG commentened about it just being a business meeting, so no denial. As a name in football, he was probably more well known than Klopp.
Klopp also did struggle in his last year at Dortmund, there was a definite view that success in German does not mean success in PL, so Klopp's appointment was not seen as a guaranteed success for FSG, hense why I say they deserve credit for that.
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I remember Ancelotti being heavily linked to us at the time, he was sacked at RM May 2015 and took a new role at Bayern in Summer 2016 replacing Pep, so was available. On Paper Ancelotti had a much better record than Klopp, having won lots of trophies at different big clubs/leagues as player and manager, whereas Klopp had success at Dortmund with 2 titles, but had lost several finals incl CL and at the time lots of people questioned going for Klopp rather than Ancelotti.
As it is, I think Ancelotti would have been a good manager for us, not sure if he would have achieved what Klopp has, we will never know.
Didn't FSG meet Klinsmann towards then end of Rodgers reign? I remember it being reported in the press and I think FSG commentened about it just being a business meeting, so no denial. As a name in football, he was probably more well known than Klopp.
Klopp also did struggle in his last year at Dortmund, there was a definite view that success in German does not mean success in PL, so Klopp's appointment was not seen as a guaranteed success for FSG, hense why I say they deserve credit for that.
Just checked, Carlo Ancelotti was not available as he was recovering from a surgery, so there was no obvious better choice. I don't see much credit to be given to such an obvious decision, as appointing Klopp https://www.theguardian.com/football/201...ery-real-madrid
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That may well be the case, I certainly remeber the last couple of days where it seemed like it was a 2 horse race between Carlo and Klopp.
Would you not agree that many owners would have become impatient and pulled the plug on Klopp after 3 years and thus starting all over again?
The fact that Klopp and FSG were both on the same wavelength that a proper plan would take 4 years for success and putting in all the backroom staff to facilatate this was a good peice of ownership.
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google search Liverpool manager shortlist 2015, the first article has Klopp, Carlo and Eddie Howe in the race referenced from an article from The Athletic. It goes on to say Carlo was dismissed for being too much of a money manager.
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