How good are our owners?

Posted by: EnergisedReds

How good are our owners? - 26/04/21 07:23 AM

Though they are better than the Glazers, they are really mid table. Yes we were champions and CL winners under their watch, but that was more luck by getting Klopp IMO

https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-rea...ers-since-2014/
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 26/04/21 09:12 AM

I think they have been OK overall. Yes the sucess is down to Klopp but they still put the structures around him in place. If they keep going with this team and win more it would be fantastic, alternatively if they let this team just phase out that would be a big negative. We have such a good foundation now it would be wrong to just let it fall away.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 27/04/21 03:36 AM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
I think they have been OK overall. Yes the sucess is down to Klopp but they still put the structures around him in place. If they keep going with this team and win more it would be fantastic, alternatively if they let this team just phase out that would be a big negative. We have such a good foundation now it would be wrong to just let it fall away.


They've been midtable owners if you go by the list, so completely deserve our midtable finish
Posted by: Pickles

Re: How good are our owners? - 27/04/21 10:45 AM

Since 6th October 2010 when they took over the club:

1 X Premier League Title
1 x Champions League Title
1 x FIFA World Club Cup
1 x UEFA Super Cup
1 x League Cup


From a competition perspective I'd rate us having won 3, really meaningful competitions (highlighted in black) in over a 10 year period that they have owned us...SH...ITE to be honest for a club of our size and stature!
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 27/04/21 11:32 AM

Originally Posted By Pickles
Since 6th October 2010 when they took over the club:

1 X Premier League Title
1 x Champions League Title
1 x FIFA World Club Cup
1 x UEFA Super Cup
1 x League Cup


From a competition perspective I'd rate us having won 3, really meaningful competitions (highlighted in black) in over a 10 year period that they have owned us...SH...ITE to be honest for a club of our size and stature!


I wouldn't call that SH...ITE

fSG took us over when we were very close to Administration in court, we had a crap manager and our best players had been sold off by H&G to pay off their leveraged debts/interest, we had a very poor team.

FSG hired Klopp, Modernised the club, increased/improved the stadium, improved the commercial deals, delivered a trophy we have been after for 30 years plus the CL and brought in the players to play great football under Klopp.

FSG have made mistakes, but overall they have been good owners IMO, particularly following the mess H&G left.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 27/04/21 07:21 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By Pickles
Since 6th October 2010 when they took over the club:

1 X Premier League Title
1 x Champions League Title
1 x FIFA World Club Cup
1 x UEFA Super Cup
1 x League Cup


From a competition perspective I'd rate us having won 3, really meaningful competitions (highlighted in black) in over a 10 year period that they have owned us...SH...ITE to be honest for a club of our size and stature!


I wouldn't call that SH...ITE

fSG took us over when we were very close to Administration in court, we had a crap manager and our best players had been sold off by H&G to pay off their leveraged debts/interest, we had a very poor team.

FSG hired Klopp, Modernised the club, increased/improved the stadium, improved the commercial deals, delivered a trophy we have been after for 30 years plus the CL and brought in the players to play great football under Klopp.

FSG have made mistakes, but overall they have been good owners IMO, particularly following the mess H&G left.


It's not like they came in, hired Klopp and we achieved all that, they brought in Hodgson, Dalglish, Rogers until Klopp became available and Rogers lost his bearings after Suarez was sold and replaced by Balotelli by FSG. Look what happened when Klopp ran short of miracles, ie, having to replace our back line with midfielders. Yes of course we can have worse owners like the Glazers and H&G, but it's a shame we don't have better ones, as I said, they are midtable owners. Hopefully they might be tempted to sell now because of the poor financial and sporting results, but then, we must pray to get at least Everton type owners
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 27/04/21 07:48 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds


It's not like they came in, hired Klopp and we achieved all that, they brought in Hodgson, Dalglish, Rogers until Klopp became available and Rogers lost his bearings after Suarez was sold and replaced by Balotelli by FSG. Look what happened when Klopp ran short of miracles, ie, having to replace our back line with midfielders. Yes of course we can have worse owners like the Glazers and H&G, but it's a shame we don't have better ones, as I said, they are midtable owners. Hopefully they might be tempted to sell now because of the poor financial and sporting results, but then, we must pray to get at least Everton type owners


FSG never brought in Hodgson, he was already there when they bought us. As I said, we were a mess when they bought us, so yeah, it wasn't all good, they were new to football and took advice from others to buy the likes of Andy Carroll etc.

I would not call FSG mid-table owners when they have delivered the PL & CL in the last 3 season.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 28/04/21 03:36 AM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds


It's not like they came in, hired Klopp and we achieved all that, they brought in Hodgson, Dalglish, Rogers until Klopp became available and Rogers lost his bearings after Suarez was sold and replaced by Balotelli by FSG. Look what happened when Klopp ran short of miracles, ie, having to replace our back line with midfielders. Yes of course we can have worse owners like the Glazers and H&G, but it's a shame we don't have better ones, as I said, they are midtable owners. Hopefully they might be tempted to sell now because of the poor financial and sporting results, but then, we must pray to get at least Everton type owners


FSG never brought in Hodgson, he was already there when they bought us. As I said, we were a mess when they bought us, so yeah, it wasn't all good, they were new to football and took advice from others to buy the likes of Andy Carroll etc.

I would not call FSG mid-table owners when they have delivered the PL & CL in the last 3 season.


Yes Hodgson was there, my mistake. I am calling them midtable owners based on investment they made, this was my criteria and it's factual, as for the cups that were delivered, we all know it was Klopp's miracle
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 28/04/21 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds


It's not like they came in, hired Klopp and we achieved all that, they brought in Hodgson, Dalglish, Rogers until Klopp became available and Rogers lost his bearings after Suarez was sold and replaced by Balotelli by FSG. Look what happened when Klopp ran short of miracles, ie, having to replace our back line with midfielders. Yes of course we can have worse owners like the Glazers and H&G, but it's a shame we don't have better ones, as I said, they are midtable owners. Hopefully they might be tempted to sell now because of the poor financial and sporting results, but then, we must pray to get at least Everton type owners


FSG never brought in Hodgson, he was already there when they bought us. As I said, we were a mess when they bought us, so yeah, it wasn't all good, they were new to football and took advice from others to buy the likes of Andy Carroll etc.

I would not call FSG mid-table owners when they have delivered the PL & CL in the last 3 season.


Yes Hodgson was there, my mistake. I am calling them midtable owners based on investment they made, this was my criteria and it's factual, as for the cups that were delivered, we all know it was Klopp's miracle


Fair enough, they are midtable investment wise, as you say, that is due to good recruitment/management by Klopp & Edwards/team, not really FSG, though they sign the cheques, but they have learnt from their moneyball ways and spending big on the likes of Carroll & Downing.

Lots of owners have spent allot more and ended empty handed with big debts, so that is good management by FSG to bring the right people in, I don't know how much I put down to good luck or good recruitment by FSG, Klopp was available for a while on his sabbatical and reportedly turned down a few offers, including Man Utd, so whatever FSG offered/promised worked to recruit him, so I'd say that is good work by FSG.

It was Klopp's and his team good work/miracle that won the cups, but without FSG we do not have Klopp, so they should be given some credit IMO.

My concern is miracles happen once if you are very lucky, this team needs rebuilding/strengthening, some players appear to have passed their peak, so asking Klopp to repeat that miracle will be very difficult. The interesting thing is that our wage bill is very large now, second to City's, as we have paid based on performance (best way), but the recent success means our top players are some of the top earners in the PL, but that means if we sell the likes of Firmino/Mane etc, their large wages can be used to recruit quality replacements.

Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 28/04/21 03:55 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds


It's not like they came in, hired Klopp and we achieved all that, they brought in Hodgson, Dalglish, Rogers until Klopp became available and Rogers lost his bearings after Suarez was sold and replaced by Balotelli by FSG. Look what happened when Klopp ran short of miracles, ie, having to replace our back line with midfielders. Yes of course we can have worse owners like the Glazers and H&G, but it's a shame we don't have better ones, as I said, they are midtable owners. Hopefully they might be tempted to sell now because of the poor financial and sporting results, but then, we must pray to get at least Everton type owners


FSG never brought in Hodgson, he was already there when they bought us. As I said, we were a mess when they bought us, so yeah, it wasn't all good, they were new to football and took advice from others to buy the likes of Andy Carroll etc.

I would not call FSG mid-table owners when they have delivered the PL & CL in the last 3 season.


Yes Hodgson was there, my mistake. I am calling them midtable owners based on investment they made, this was my criteria and it's factual, as for the cups that were delivered, we all know it was Klopp's miracle


Fair enough, they are midtable investment wise, as you say, that is due to good recruitment/management by Klopp & Edwards/team, not really FSG, though they sign the cheques, but they have learnt from their moneyball ways and spending big on the likes of Carroll & Downing.

Lots of owners have spent allot more and ended empty handed with big debts, so that is good management by FSG to bring the right people in, I don't know how much I put down to good luck or good recruitment by FSG, Klopp was available for a while on his sabbatical and reportedly turned down a few offers, including Man Utd, so whatever FSG offered/promised worked to recruit him, so I'd say that is good work by FSG.

It was Klopp's and his team good work/miracle that won the cups, but without FSG we do not have Klopp, so they should be given some credit IMO.

My concern is miracles happen once if you are very lucky, this team needs rebuilding/strengthening, some players appear to have passed their peak, so asking Klopp to repeat that miracle will be very difficult. The interesting thing is that our wage bill is very large now, second to City's, as we have paid based on performance (best way), but the recent success means our top players are some of the top earners in the PL, but that means if we sell the likes of Firmino/Mane etc, their large wages can be used to recruit quality replacements.



What makes you think we wouldn't have got Klopp without FSG, it's not like he only wanted to play for them?
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 28/04/21 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98

FSG never brought in Hodgson, he was already there when they bought us. As I said, we were a mess when they bought us, so yeah, it wasn't all good, they were new to football and took advice from others to buy the likes of Andy Carroll etc.

I would not call FSG mid-table owners when they have delivered the PL & CL in the last 3 season.


Yes Hodgson was there, my mistake. I am calling them midtable owners based on investment they made, this was my criteria and it's factual, as for the cups that were delivered, we all know it was Klopp's miracle


Fair enough, they are midtable investment wise, as you say, that is due to good recruitment/management by Klopp & Edwards/team, not really FSG, though they sign the cheques, but they have learnt from their moneyball ways and spending big on the likes of Carroll & Downing.

Lots of owners have spent allot more and ended empty handed with big debts, so that is good management by FSG to bring the right people in, I don't know how much I put down to good luck or good recruitment by FSG, Klopp was available for a while on his sabbatical and reportedly turned down a few offers, including Man Utd, so whatever FSG offered/promised worked to recruit him, so I'd say that is good work by FSG.

It was Klopp's and his team good work/miracle that won the cups, but without FSG we do not have Klopp, so they should be given some credit IMO.

My concern is miracles happen once if you are very lucky, this team needs rebuilding/strengthening, some players appear to have passed their peak, so asking Klopp to repeat that miracle will be very difficult. The interesting thing is that our wage bill is very large now, second to City's, as we have paid based on performance (best way), but the recent success means our top players are some of the top earners in the PL, but that means if we sell the likes of Firmino/Mane etc, their large wages can be used to recruit quality replacements.



What makes you think we wouldn't have got Klopp without FSG, it's not like he only wanted to play for them?


FSG hired him, he reportedly turned down a few clubs, so who knows under different owners if he would have joined, what FSG said/promised Klopp worked.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 28/04/21 07:24 PM

So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.

I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 28/04/21 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.

I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical


All I am saying is they hired Klopp, so they deserve credit for that, I am not saying Klopp joined us because of his long desire to work with FSG lol

FSG lucked out with a great choice, but they made the choice.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 04:23 AM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.

I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical


All I am saying is they hired Klopp, so they deserve credit for that, I am not saying Klopp joined us because of his long desire to work with FSG lol

FSG lucked out with a great choice, but they made the choice.


Yes they made the choice, but anybody would have done that, would you have kept Rodgers in that struggling start of the season especially with the debacle the season before? Which other proven coach was available then? A school boy or girl watching a bit of football would have made that choice.
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.

I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical


All I am saying is they hired Klopp, so they deserve credit for that, I am not saying Klopp joined us because of his long desire to work with FSG lol

FSG lucked out with a great choice, but they made the choice.


Yes they made the choice, but anybody would have done that, would you have kept Rodgers in that struggling start of the season especially with the debacle the season before? Which other proven coach was available then? A school boy or girl watching a bit of football would have made that choice.


Not sure that anybody would have hired Klopp as a certainty or even kept him after 3 years of not winnig a trophy?

There was a big clamour from a section of fans to have Ancelloti, which is understandable because he is a top class manager but those people were also saying that Klopp wouldn't be successful in England and that 'Winning the bundesliga doesn't mean much'.

Remember at the time we were not winning anything and were finishing mid table, we were not a club that was going to necessarily entice a "top manager" automatically as you say. We were linked with all sorts of rubbish like Klinsmann and De Boer and how have those worked out?

There were people on this forum still questioning Klopps appointment right up until he won the Champions League so to make a choice and stick with it for 4 years and not making a panic decision is a good bit of ownership.

No need to look a gift horse in the mouth... Klopp was a great appointment and we are lucky he wanted to come. It was good management to not pull the plug after 3 years of not having a trophy because they may have been looking at the bigger picture unlike a lot of people on here.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 11:09 AM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
So he wanted to only work for FSG after he left Dortmund, people he probably didn't even know existed, let alone liking them, I hope you dont believe in this BS, seriously.

I rather think there was not a lot of historical clubs who were looking to recruit in the middle of the season when he decided to end his sabbatical


All I am saying is they hired Klopp, so they deserve credit for that, I am not saying Klopp joined us because of his long desire to work with FSG lol

FSG lucked out with a great choice, but they made the choice.


Yes they made the choice, but anybody would have done that, would you have kept Rodgers in that struggling start of the season especially with the debacle the season before? Which other proven coach was available then? A school boy or girl watching a bit of football would have made that choice.


Not sure that anybody would have hired Klopp as a certainty or even kept him after 3 years of not winnig a trophy?

There was a big clamour from a section of fans to have Ancelloti, which is understandable because he is a top class manager but those people were also saying that Klopp wouldn't be successful in England and that 'Winning the bundesliga doesn't mean much'.

Remember at the time we were not winning anything and were finishing mid table, we were not a club that was going to necessarily entice a "top manager" automatically as you say. We were linked with all sorts of rubbish like Klinsmann and De Boer and how have those worked out?

There were people on this forum still questioning Klopps appointment right up until he won the Champions League so to make a choice and stick with it for 4 years and not making a panic decision is a good bit of ownership.

No need to look a gift horse in the mouth... Klopp was a great appointment and we are lucky he wanted to come. It was good management to not pull the plug after 3 years of not having a trophy because they may have been looking at the bigger picture unlike a lot of people on here.


Was Ancelotti available then, dont remember
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 11:34 AM

I remember Ancelotti being heavily linked to us at the time, he was sacked at RM May 2015 and took a new role at Bayern in Summer 2016 replacing Pep, so was available. On Paper Ancelotti had a much better record than Klopp, having won lots of trophies at different big clubs/leagues as player and manager, whereas Klopp had success at Dortmund with 2 titles, but had lost several finals incl CL and at the time lots of people questioned going for Klopp rather than Ancelotti.

As it is, I think Ancelotti would have been a good manager for us, not sure if he would have achieved what Klopp has, we will never know.

Didn't FSG meet Klinsmann towards then end of Rodgers reign? I remember it being reported in the press and I think FSG commentened about it just being a business meeting, so no denial. As a name in football, he was probably more well known than Klopp.

Klopp also did struggle in his last year at Dortmund, there was a definite view that success in German does not mean success in PL, so Klopp's appointment was not seen as a guaranteed success for FSG, hense why I say they deserve credit for that.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 01:04 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
I remember Ancelotti being heavily linked to us at the time, he was sacked at RM May 2015 and took a new role at Bayern in Summer 2016 replacing Pep, so was available. On Paper Ancelotti had a much better record than Klopp, having won lots of trophies at different big clubs/leagues as player and manager, whereas Klopp had success at Dortmund with 2 titles, but had lost several finals incl CL and at the time lots of people questioned going for Klopp rather than Ancelotti.

As it is, I think Ancelotti would have been a good manager for us, not sure if he would have achieved what Klopp has, we will never know.

Didn't FSG meet Klinsmann towards then end of Rodgers reign? I remember it being reported in the press and I think FSG commentened about it just being a business meeting, so no denial. As a name in football, he was probably more well known than Klopp.

Klopp also did struggle in his last year at Dortmund, there was a definite view that success in German does not mean success in PL, so Klopp's appointment was not seen as a guaranteed success for FSG, hense why I say they deserve credit for that.


Just checked, Carlo Ancelotti was not available as he was recovering from a surgery, so there was no obvious better choice. I don't see much credit to be given to such an obvious decision, as appointing Klopp

https://www.theguardian.com/football/201...ery-real-madrid

Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 01:17 PM

That may well be the case, I certainly remeber the last couple of days where it seemed like it was a 2 horse race between Carlo and Klopp.

Would you not agree that many owners would have become impatient and pulled the plug on Klopp after 3 years and thus starting all over again?

The fact that Klopp and FSG were both on the same wavelength that a proper plan would take 4 years for success and putting in all the backroom staff to facilatate this was a good peice of ownership.
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 01:22 PM

google search Liverpool manager shortlist 2015, the first article has Klopp, Carlo and Eddie Howe in the race referenced from an article from The Athletic. It goes on to say Carlo was dismissed for being too much of a money manager.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 06:22 PM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
That may well be the case, I certainly remeber the last couple of days where it seemed like it was a 2 horse race between Carlo and Klopp.

Would you not agree that many owners would have become impatient and pulled the plug on Klopp after 3 years and thus starting all over again?

The fact that Klopp and FSG were both on the same wavelength that a proper plan would take 4 years for success and putting in all the backroom staff to facilatate this was a good peice of ownership.


Why would they have pulled the plug, they hardly invested in the team and probably knew they wouldn't find better?
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 29/04/21 06:34 PM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
google search Liverpool manager shortlist 2015, the first article has Klopp, Carlo and Eddie Howe in the race referenced from an article from The Athletic. It goes on to say Carlo was dismissed for being too much of a money manager.


Carlo had surgery and took a sabbatical, dont you know about the media just linking players and managers with clubs, if you want to belive the media, then we are signing Mbappe in a few weeks
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 12:42 AM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Why would they have pulled the plug, they hardly invested in the team and probably knew they wouldn't find better?


I rekon there would have been a few opportunities to cut him off and bring someone in if they had thought fit. I was probably one of the more patient fans on here but even a couple of years in when our defence was leaky and it didn't look like he was doing anything about the goalkeepers that I thought he might have gone.

As for available managers off the top of my head you could have had Allegri? Simione was being talked about a lot when it looked like he had taken Atleti as far as he could, talk of Benitez again? Conte has swapped teams a few times. There are always managers going in and out no?

History is written by the winners as they say and ofcourse it seems obvious now that there was probably nobody better but the options for change were always there.

I don't believe most media gossip but The Athletic aren't your back page daily rag gossip column.

As for not investing in the team, well, the team has been sucessful in the last couple of years? Does it matter how many $$$ they pumped in? How much money have Everton [oops] up the wall in the last decade? Has that brought them any success?

Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 03:22 AM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Why would they have pulled the plug, they hardly invested in the team and probably knew they wouldn't find better?


I rekon there would have been a few opportunities to cut him off and bring someone in if they had thought fit. I was probably one of the more patient fans on here but even a couple of years in when our defence was leaky and it didn't look like he was doing anything about the goalkeepers that I thought he might have gone.

As for available managers off the top of my head you could have had Allegri? Simione was being talked about a lot when it looked like he had taken Atleti as far as he could, talk of Benitez again? Conte has swapped teams a few times. There are always managers going in and out no?

History is written by the winners as they say and ofcourse it seems obvious now that there was probably nobody better but the options for change were always there.

I don't believe most media gossip but The Athletic aren't your back page daily rag gossip column.

As for not investing in the team, well, the team has been sucessful in the last couple of years? Does it matter how many $$$ they pumped in? How much money have Everton [oops] up the wall in the last decade? Has that brought them any success?



Don't think you can compare with Everton...today, they are building something with their owners full support, had you thought they would get an Ancelotti type manager and building a new stadium?

As for our defence leaking goals, we all knew we needed money to reinforce, and we didn't have that until Coutinho decided to move, we all saw the difference Ali and Virgil made, and who is to blame if we took longer to get them? Not Klopp but FSG I would go even further to say that FSG loves Klopp because he is not demanding in terms of investment, this is more difficult to find among winning managers.
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 09:39 AM

Yeah definately no comparison between the hard cash injected into Everton compared to Liverpool but my point still stands, have they won anything and when will they win something? I couldn't give a hoot what FSG have invested into the team as long as they are winning and being competative which we are (apart from now obviously). When have Everton competed for anything?

The second point as well, again you could be right, say coutinho never left and we never invested in VVD and Ali then yes I would be front of the line to kick FSG out but Coutinho did leave and we did reinvest that money in top quality and then we did win trophies so again the rest is history as far as I'm concerned.

Third point, yes this is why FSG and Klopp make a good team, I don't think FSG are hiding the fact the Klopp doesn't like spending money, they are trying to find a different way to win and be competative against Chelsea/City etc. This is why Klopp doesn't spend bucket loads of cash and why FSG were willing to be pateint for a few years while Klopp was building.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 10:21 AM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
Yeah definately no comparison between the hard cash injected into Everton compared to Liverpool but my point still stands, have they won anything and when will they win something? I couldn't give a hoot what FSG have invested into the team as long as they are winning and being competative which we are (apart from now obviously). When have Everton competed for anything?

The second point as well, again you could be right, say coutinho never left and we never invested in VVD and Ali then yes I would be front of the line to kick FSG out but Coutinho did leave and we did reinvest that money in top quality and then we did win trophies so again the rest is history as far as I'm concerned.

Third point, yes this is why FSG and Klopp make a good team, I don't think FSG are hiding the fact the Klopp doesn't like spending money, they are trying to find a different way to win and be competative against Chelsea/City etc. This is why Klopp doesn't spend bucket loads of cash and why FSG were willing to be pateint for a few years while Klopp was building.


Well, Klopp will be here for a couple of years st most and we have had more trophyless season under FSG than winning trophies.

As I said, Everton just started on their path starting well behind us, and with the tyoe of support they are getting from their owners, we wouldn't be competing only once in a blue moon, but every season. Not investing in a good central defender in early Jan, when we all knew back in October that it was crucial, will cost us, not only the league, but a CL qualification most probably. Maybe those f.kers will decide to sell to some who deserve us more because without CL and with our wage bill and less fans in the stadium, next season will be a blood bath when it comes to finances of the club.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 11:23 AM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By jim_beam
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Why would they have pulled the plug, they hardly invested in the team and probably knew they wouldn't find better?


I rekon there would have been a few opportunities to cut him off and bring someone in if they had thought fit. I was probably one of the more patient fans on here but even a couple of years in when our defence was leaky and it didn't look like he was doing anything about the goalkeepers that I thought he might have gone.

As for available managers off the top of my head you could have had Allegri? Simione was being talked about a lot when it looked like he had taken Atleti as far as he could, talk of Benitez again? Conte has swapped teams a few times. There are always managers going in and out no?

History is written by the winners as they say and ofcourse it seems obvious now that there was probably nobody better but the options for change were always there.

I don't believe most media gossip but The Athletic aren't your back page daily rag gossip column.

As for not investing in the team, well, the team has been sucessful in the last couple of years? Does it matter how many $$$ they pumped in? How much money have Everton [oops] up the wall in the last decade? Has that brought them any success?



Don't think you can compare with Everton...today, they are building something with their owners full support, had you thought they would get an Ancelotti type manager and building a new stadium?

As for our defence leaking goals, we all knew we needed money to reinforce, and we didn't have that until Coutinho decided to move, we all saw the difference Ali and Virgil made, and who is to blame if we took longer to get them? Not Klopp but FSG I would go even further to say that FSG loves Klopp because he is not demanding in terms of investment, this is more difficult to find among winning managers.


It has been reported that Klopp wanted to pull the plug on the VvD deal as he thought it was far too expensive, it was FSG who pressed on and did the deal as they knew he was Klopp's number 1 target, but we had to pay over the odds due to our previous approach failure, so we had to pay what Southampton wanted, so it is interesting that sometimes the owners are pressing Klopp to spend.

Klopp as always said he prefers to buy and develop the next up and coming player into a superstar, than buy a ready made superstar for a huge fee, similat what he has done with Mane & Salah.
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 01:57 PM

Yeah you both are making some good points.

We have had barron years under FSG but again I think that's why FSG and Klopp worked well because it's about building towards something.

I personally would have put up with a few years of development to get to where we are now, breaking that premier league duck was a massive ask. For me winnig the League and champions league will always be more then 4 Europa Leagues or multiple FA cups etc.

Under rodgers we were competative in the league at times and had finals but I think thats just the class difference between Rodgers and Klopp where the latter has more experience and is a proven winner. I'm sure Rodgers will have some success over his career.

I'm hoping now that we have put the foundations in place over the last few years that FSG and Klopp can keep on the ball and keep re-developing the team and keep us up there, that remains to be seen and for me depends on how next year goes. If it's bad from Klopp or FSG they are going to have problems, if we are back on track next season then fair enough.

You have to remember as well we are trying to compete against clubs who are basically money doping their teams over the last 15 years, not so easy to just go out and win stuff anymore when City have basically won everything in the past 10 years.

This is just my personal opinion but I would rather do it how we are now more on sporting merit rather than just a club that has unlimited funds, I love the way Pep and City play football but it leaves a sour taste when they just have an embarrasment of riches available to them every single season.

I guess that is where we are differing on our opinions of the owners is I think they have done well with what they have whereas I guess you are wanting a different type of ownership if thats fair to say? So who is buying Liverpool from FSG to start pumping unlimited funds into the club? I don't know the answer to that and I've never heard of any takeover attempts? If a rich Saudi came along and offered the cash to FSG to buy and then told the fans he has a blank cheque ready then that's the time to have that conversation but right now I don't think thats happening?
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 07:14 PM

It has been reported from several good sources that FSG recently turned down a 3Billion bid form the Middle East:

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/fo...eaking-20458914

There are also rumours of other interested buyers, I am surprised they turned down such a large bid if that is the case, maybe the problems with the Super League will make them think again.

Do we want to turn into a Man City and sportswash a dodgy state with human rites issued? or be an Oligarchs play thing? doesn't feel good to me, no matter who they buy/what they spend.

Under FSG we can be proud of how we built the team and the trophies we won, can Man City fans say the same? I know a few of their fans and they have mixed feelings on the club now.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 08:10 PM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By jim_beam
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Why would they have pulled the plug, they hardly invested in the team and probably knew they wouldn't find better?


I rekon there would have been a few opportunities to cut him off and bring someone in if they had thought fit. I was probably one of the more patient fans on here but even a couple of years in when our defence was leaky and it didn't look like he was doing anything about the goalkeepers that I thought he might have gone.

As for available managers off the top of my head you could have had Allegri? Simione was being talked about a lot when it looked like he had taken Atleti as far as he could, talk of Benitez again? Conte has swapped teams a few times. There are always managers going in and out no?

History is written by the winners as they say and ofcourse it seems obvious now that there was probably nobody better but the options for change were always there.

I don't believe most media gossip but The Athletic aren't your back page daily rag gossip column.

As for not investing in the team, well, the team has been sucessful in the last couple of years? Does it matter how many $$$ they pumped in? How much money have Everton [oops] up the wall in the last decade? Has that brought them any success?



Don't think you can compare with Everton...today, they are building something with their owners full support, had you thought they would get an Ancelotti type manager and building a new stadium?

As for our defence leaking goals, we all knew we needed money to reinforce, and we didn't have that until Coutinho decided to move, we all saw the difference Ali and Virgil made, and who is to blame if we took longer to get them? Not Klopp but FSG I would go even further to say that FSG loves Klopp because he is not demanding in terms of investment, this is more difficult to find among winning managers.


It has been reported that Klopp wanted to pull the plug on the VvD deal as he thought it was far too expensive, it was FSG who pressed on and did the deal as they knew he was Klopp's number 1 target, but we had to pay over the odds due to our previous approach failure, so we had to pay what Southampton wanted, so it is interesting that sometimes the owners are pressing Klopp to spend.

Klopp as always said he prefers to buy and develop the next up and coming player into a superstar, than buy a ready made superstar for a huge fee, similat what he has done with Mane & Salah.


FSG pressed to buy VVD and not Klopp, really, how do you know that crap? If that's true, I wonder why they didn't press to buy a good CB when we all knew we needed that and using our midfielders there would further unbalance the team. Who according to you should be held responsible for such a debacle, ie, from 1st on Christmas to not even 4th now?
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 30/04/21 08:17 PM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
Yeah you both are making some good points.

We have had barron years under FSG but again I think that's why FSG and Klopp worked well because it's about building towards something.

I personally would have put up with a few years of development to get to where we are now, breaking that premier league duck was a massive ask. For me winnig the League and champions league will always be more then 4 Europa Leagues or multiple FA cups etc.

Under rodgers we were competative in the league at times and had finals but I think thats just the class difference between Rodgers and Klopp where the latter has more experience and is a proven winner. I'm sure Rodgers will have some success over his career.

I'm hoping now that we have put the foundations in place over the last few years that FSG and Klopp can keep on the ball and keep re-developing the team and keep us up there, that remains to be seen and for me depends on how next year goes. If it's bad from Klopp or FSG they are going to have problems, if we are back on track next season then fair enough.

You have to remember as well we are trying to compete against clubs who are basically money doping their teams over the last 15 years, not so easy to just go out and win stuff anymore when City have basically won everything in the past 10 years.

This is just my personal opinion but I would rather do it how we are now more on sporting merit rather than just a club that has unlimited funds, I love the way Pep and City play football but it leaves a sour taste when they just have an embarrasment of riches available to them every single season.

I guess that is where we are differing on our opinions of the owners is I think they have done well with what they have whereas I guess you are wanting a different type of ownership if thats fair to say? So who is buying Liverpool from FSG to start pumping unlimited funds into the club? I don't know the answer to that and I've never heard of any takeover attempts? If a rich Saudi came along and offered the cash to FSG to buy and then told the fans he has a blank cheque ready then that's the time to have that conversation but right now I don't think thats happening?


I am not even talking about City and Chelsea type owners, but I cannot accept that 7 clubs have owners who have invested more than FSG, especially when we needed to buy a top CB because of our injuries and we ended up buying a guy for 2m from the championship who doesn't even make the bench, it's a joke. FSG will get what they deserve when we don't qualify for CL.
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 04/05/21 02:14 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By jim_beam
Yeah you both are making some good points.

We have had barron years under FSG but again I think that's why FSG and Klopp worked well because it's about building towards something.

I personally would have put up with a few years of development to get to where we are now, breaking that premier league duck was a massive ask. For me winnig the League and champions league will always be more then 4 Europa Leagues or multiple FA cups etc.

Under rodgers we were competative in the league at times and had finals but I think thats just the class difference between Rodgers and Klopp where the latter has more experience and is a proven winner. I'm sure Rodgers will have some success over his career.

I'm hoping now that we have put the foundations in place over the last few years that FSG and Klopp can keep on the ball and keep re-developing the team and keep us up there, that remains to be seen and for me depends on how next year goes. If it's bad from Klopp or FSG they are going to have problems, if we are back on track next season then fair enough.

You have to remember as well we are trying to compete against clubs who are basically money doping their teams over the last 15 years, not so easy to just go out and win stuff anymore when City have basically won everything in the past 10 years.

This is just my personal opinion but I would rather do it how we are now more on sporting merit rather than just a club that has unlimited funds, I love the way Pep and City play football but it leaves a sour taste when they just have an embarrasment of riches available to them every single season.

I guess that is where we are differing on our opinions of the owners is I think they have done well with what they have whereas I guess you are wanting a different type of ownership if thats fair to say? So who is buying Liverpool from FSG to start pumping unlimited funds into the club? I don't know the answer to that and I've never heard of any takeover attempts? If a rich Saudi came along and offered the cash to FSG to buy and then told the fans he has a blank cheque ready then that's the time to have that conversation but right now I don't think thats happening?


I am not even talking about City and Chelsea type owners, but I cannot accept that 7 clubs have owners who have invested more than FSG, especially when we needed to buy a top CB because of our injuries and we ended up buying a guy for 2m from the championship who doesn't even make the bench, it's a joke. FSG will get what they deserve when we don't qualify for CL.


Obviously going round in circles with this but fair enough if you can't accept that the owners have not invested as much as you would like then that is your opinion and that is fine. My opinion is I couldn't care less what the investment figure is but when I see we have a top class team who won 4 trophies (2 majors) in the last couple of years as a fan I'm happy.

Again yes fair enough with the defensive issue, it was obvious and I wouldn't have argued against bringing a top guy in to secure top 4 but why would FSG not invest to get into the top 4 on purpose if it hurts them in the long run? The other argument is how do you get a top class CB for 80 odd mil to sign for half a season and then tell him he is back of the queue when next seasson starts?

I don't know, this is where we are speculating that we know what Klopps plans are, are VVD and Gomez his main guys for next season, does he think Kabak and Phillips are good back up for the odd week they might be injured? Did he want a top class new CB the play alongside VVD and gomes was going to be 3rd choice? We don't know or at least I don't know.

This might be the type of stuff we only hear about after Klopp has left and he writes a book spilling the beans about what goes on behind the scenes.
Posted by: Pickles

Re: How good are our owners? - 04/05/21 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
Yeah you both are making some good points.

We have had barron years under FSG but again I think that's why FSG and Klopp worked well because it's about building towards something.

I personally would have put up with a few years of development to get to where we are now, breaking that premier league duck was a massive ask. For me winnig the League and champions league will always be more then 4 Europa Leagues or multiple FA cups etc.

Under rodgers we were competative in the league at times and had finals but I think thats just the class difference between Rodgers and Klopp where the latter has more experience and is a proven winner. I'm sure Rodgers will have some success over his career.

I'm hoping now that we have put the foundations in place over the last few years that FSG and Klopp can keep on the ball and keep re-developing the team and keep us up there, that remains to be seen and for me depends on how next year goes. If it's bad from Klopp or FSG they are going to have problems, if we are back on track next season then fair enough.

You have to remember as well we are trying to compete against clubs who are basically money doping their teams over the last 15 years, not so easy to just go out and win stuff anymore when City have basically won everything in the past 10 years.

This is just my personal opinion but I would rather do it how we are now more on sporting merit rather than just a club that has unlimited funds, I love the way Pep and City play football but it leaves a sour taste when they just have an embarrasment of riches available to them every single season.


I guess that is where we are differing on our opinions of the owners is I think they have done well with what they have whereas I guess you are wanting a different type of ownership if thats fair to say? So who is buying Liverpool from FSG to start pumping unlimited funds into the club? I don't know the answer to that and I've never heard of any takeover attempts? If a rich Saudi came along and offered the cash to FSG to buy and then told the fans he has a blank cheque ready then that's the time to have that conversation but right now I don't think thats happening?


The history books have no room for personal sentiment or inclination, they record who won.

If there is no regulation on doping then if you can't beat'em, join'em, however it's a fact FSG won't be doing that. If other teams are being selfish t.wats and winning trophies regularly, then we need to be selfish t.wats too.
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 04/05/21 10:56 PM

Originally Posted By Pickles
Originally Posted By jim_beam
Yeah you both are making some good points.

We have had barron years under FSG but again I think that's why FSG and Klopp worked well because it's about building towards something.

I personally would have put up with a few years of development to get to where we are now, breaking that premier league duck was a massive ask. For me winnig the League and champions league will always be more then 4 Europa Leagues or multiple FA cups etc.

Under rodgers we were competative in the league at times and had finals but I think thats just the class difference between Rodgers and Klopp where the latter has more experience and is a proven winner. I'm sure Rodgers will have some success over his career.

I'm hoping now that we have put the foundations in place over the last few years that FSG and Klopp can keep on the ball and keep re-developing the team and keep us up there, that remains to be seen and for me depends on how next year goes. If it's bad from Klopp or FSG they are going to have problems, if we are back on track next season then fair enough.

You have to remember as well we are trying to compete against clubs who are basically money doping their teams over the last 15 years, not so easy to just go out and win stuff anymore when City have basically won everything in the past 10 years.

This is just my personal opinion but I would rather do it how we are now more on sporting merit rather than just a club that has unlimited funds, I love the way Pep and City play football but it leaves a sour taste when they just have an embarrasment of riches available to them every single season.


I guess that is where we are differing on our opinions of the owners is I think they have done well with what they have whereas I guess you are wanting a different type of ownership if thats fair to say? So who is buying Liverpool from FSG to start pumping unlimited funds into the club? I don't know the answer to that and I've never heard of any takeover attempts? If a rich Saudi came along and offered the cash to FSG to buy and then told the fans he has a blank cheque ready then that's the time to have that conversation but right now I don't think thats happening?


The history books have no room for personal sentiment or inclination, they record who won.

If there is no regulation on doping then if you can't beat'em, join'em, however it's a fact FSG won't be doing that. If other teams are being selfish t.wats and winning trophies regularly, then we need to be selfish t.wats too.






That's a very good point.

If there is no real framework for controlling how much clubs spend then yeah I guess it's all fair game then isn't it?

I still wouldn't want to see football just go down this crazy wild west route but it is where we are at now and nobody is doing a thing about it.

Again just a personal note but I feel as a fan I can take more joy from 1 league win than many of city's titles combined. The way we did it genuienly makes me feel happy. Same with Liecester I feel that the 1 they won for themselves was such a staggering acheivement I will always put it ahead of any City title. However I do completely get your point... if other people are doing it and it's allowed then why shouldn't we try and level the field.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 05/05/21 03:10 AM

Originally Posted By jim_beam
Originally Posted By Pickles
Originally Posted By jim_beam
Yeah you both are making some good points.

We have had barron years under FSG but again I think that's why FSG and Klopp worked well because it's about building towards something.

I personally would have put up with a few years of development to get to where we are now, breaking that premier league duck was a massive ask. For me winnig the League and champions league will always be more then 4 Europa Leagues or multiple FA cups etc.

Under rodgers we were competative in the league at times and had finals but I think thats just the class difference between Rodgers and Klopp where the latter has more experience and is a proven winner. I'm sure Rodgers will have some success over his career.

I'm hoping now that we have put the foundations in place over the last few years that FSG and Klopp can keep on the ball and keep re-developing the team and keep us up there, that remains to be seen and for me depends on how next year goes. If it's bad from Klopp or FSG they are going to have problems, if we are back on track next season then fair enough.

You have to remember as well we are trying to compete against clubs who are basically money doping their teams over the last 15 years, not so easy to just go out and win stuff anymore when City have basically won everything in the past 10 years.

This is just my personal opinion but I would rather do it how we are now more on sporting merit rather than just a club that has unlimited funds, I love the way Pep and City play football but it leaves a sour taste when they just have an embarrasment of riches available to them every single season.


I guess that is where we are differing on our opinions of the owners is I think they have done well with what they have whereas I guess you are wanting a different type of ownership if thats fair to say? So who is buying Liverpool from FSG to start pumping unlimited funds into the club? I don't know the answer to that and I've never heard of any takeover attempts? If a rich Saudi came along and offered the cash to FSG to buy and then told the fans he has a blank cheque ready then that's the time to have that conversation but right now I don't think thats happening?


The history books have no room for personal sentiment or inclination, they record who won.

If there is no regulation on doping then if you can't beat'em, join'em, however it's a fact FSG won't be doing that. If other teams are being selfish t.wats and winning trophies regularly, then we need to be selfish t.wats too.






That's a very good point.

If there is no real framework for controlling how much clubs spend then yeah I guess it's all fair game then isn't it?

I still wouldn't want to see football just go down this crazy wild west route but it is where we are at now and nobody is doing a thing about it.

Again just a personal note but I feel as a fan I can take more joy from 1 league win than many of city's titles combined. The way we did it genuienly makes me feel happy. Same with Liecester I feel that the 1 they won for themselves was such a staggering acheivement I will always put it ahead of any City title. However I do completely get your point... if other people are doing it and it's allowed then why shouldn't we try and level the field.


I wonder if City fans are happier today than when they were a 'poor' mid table team, sometimes even battling relegation.

Again, I was not comparing with City owners which FSG can never be, but at least buy a good Centre Back when all our first teamers are injured long term. They decided not to spend, but now they need to face the consequences of missing on at least 30m by not qualifying for CL.

As for being back of the queue, we should have signed a player who is better than Matip and Gomez because these 2 will not play whoke seasons anyway as per their injury history
Posted by: jim_beam

Re: How good are our owners? - 05/05/21 12:23 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By jim_beam
Originally Posted By Pickles
Originally Posted By jim_beam
Yeah you both are making some good points.

We have had barron years under FSG but again I think that's why FSG and Klopp worked well because it's about building towards something.

I personally would have put up with a few years of development to get to where we are now, breaking that premier league duck was a massive ask. For me winnig the League and champions league will always be more then 4 Europa Leagues or multiple FA cups etc.

Under rodgers we were competative in the league at times and had finals but I think thats just the class difference between Rodgers and Klopp where the latter has more experience and is a proven winner. I'm sure Rodgers will have some success over his career.

I'm hoping now that we have put the foundations in place over the last few years that FSG and Klopp can keep on the ball and keep re-developing the team and keep us up there, that remains to be seen and for me depends on how next year goes. If it's bad from Klopp or FSG they are going to have problems, if we are back on track next season then fair enough.

You have to remember as well we are trying to compete against clubs who are basically money doping their teams over the last 15 years, not so easy to just go out and win stuff anymore when City have basically won everything in the past 10 years.

This is just my personal opinion but I would rather do it how we are now more on sporting merit rather than just a club that has unlimited funds, I love the way Pep and City play football but it leaves a sour taste when they just have an embarrasment of riches available to them every single season.


I guess that is where we are differing on our opinions of the owners is I think they have done well with what they have whereas I guess you are wanting a different type of ownership if thats fair to say? So who is buying Liverpool from FSG to start pumping unlimited funds into the club? I don't know the answer to that and I've never heard of any takeover attempts? If a rich Saudi came along and offered the cash to FSG to buy and then told the fans he has a blank cheque ready then that's the time to have that conversation but right now I don't think thats happening?


The history books have no room for personal sentiment or inclination, they record who won.

If there is no regulation on doping then if you can't beat'em, join'em, however it's a fact FSG won't be doing that. If other teams are being selfish t.wats and winning trophies regularly, then we need to be selfish t.wats too.






That's a very good point.

If there is no real framework for controlling how much clubs spend then yeah I guess it's all fair game then isn't it?

I still wouldn't want to see football just go down this crazy wild west route but it is where we are at now and nobody is doing a thing about it.

Again just a personal note but I feel as a fan I can take more joy from 1 league win than many of city's titles combined. The way we did it genuienly makes me feel happy. Same with Liecester I feel that the 1 they won for themselves was such a staggering acheivement I will always put it ahead of any City title. However I do completely get your point... if other people are doing it and it's allowed then why shouldn't we try and level the field.


I wonder if City fans are happier today than when they were a 'poor' mid table team, sometimes even battling relegation.

Again, I was not comparing with City owners which FSG can never be, but at least buy a good Centre Back when all our first teamers are injured long term. They decided not to spend, but now they need to face the consequences of missing on at least 30m by not qualifying for CL.

As for being back of the queue, we should have signed a player who is better than Matip and Gomez because these 2 will not play whoke seasons anyway as per their injury history


I think city fans are exstatic and so they should be.

Look I think they have done amazing work and Pep is one of the best managers ever, they play amazing football which isn't all down to the money but trying to speak as a neutral football fan I will never find their achievements that special. Porto winning the champions league amazing, Wigan beating city in the FA cup, us winning a champions league 2005 with a dog sh!t squad, Leicester winning the league, all of these things to me are what make football special as a fan. I just don't take that much joy from a team with 2 first 11's winning stuff which the ought to be winning. but like I said they won't care and so they shouldn't.

Agree with the defenders point, I'd say if it was down to FSG not wanting to spend money then they have shot themselves in the foot, but again maybe Klopp wasn't so keen? I personally don't know.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 05/05/21 12:59 PM

Originally Posted By jim_beam


I think city fans are exstatic and so they should be.

Look I think they have done amazing work and Pep is one of the best managers ever, they play amazing football which isn't all down to the money but trying to speak as a neutral football fan I will never find their achievements that special. Porto winning the champions league amazing, Wigan beating city in the FA cup, us winning a champions league 2005 with a dog sh!t squad, Leicester winning the league, all of these things to me are what make football special as a fan. I just don't take that much joy from a team with 2 first 11's winning stuff which the ought to be winning. but like I said they won't care and so they shouldn't.

Agree with the defenders point, I'd say if it was down to FSG not wanting to spend money then they have shot themselves in the foot, but again maybe Klopp wasn't so keen? I personally don't know.



Difficult for me to think that Klopp was not so keen to bring a top central defender after the injuries of his first teamers, cannot believe he can be that stupid. But if he is, then he is to be blamed for our debacle and take full responsibility. But then I cannot explain why we brought 2 CD in, one on loan and the other still invisible
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 05/05/21 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By jim_beam


I think city fans are exstatic and so they should be.

Look I think they have done amazing work and Pep is one of the best managers ever, they play amazing football which isn't all down to the money but trying to speak as a neutral football fan I will never find their achievements that special. Porto winning the champions league amazing, Wigan beating city in the FA cup, us winning a champions league 2005 with a dog sh!t squad, Leicester winning the league, all of these things to me are what make football special as a fan. I just don't take that much joy from a team with 2 first 11's winning stuff which the ought to be winning. but like I said they won't care and so they shouldn't.

Agree with the defenders point, I'd say if it was down to FSG not wanting to spend money then they have shot themselves in the foot, but again maybe Klopp wasn't so keen? I personally don't know.



Difficult for me to think that Klopp was not so keen to bring a top central defender after the injuries of his first teamers, cannot believe he can be that stupid. But if he is, then he is to be blamed for our debacle and take full responsibility. But then I cannot explain why we brought 2 CD in, one on loan and the other still invisible


They were cheap, a loan fee with an option to buy at a decent price for Kabak and Davies who I expect we will just flip in the summer to make some money as he was near the end of his contract when we got him cheap, probably spent less than 5 million on them 2.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 06/05/21 03:11 AM

Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By jim_beam


I think city fans are exstatic and so they should be.

Look I think they have done amazing work and Pep is one of the best managers ever, they play amazing football which isn't all down to the money but trying to speak as a neutral football fan I will never find their achievements that special. Porto winning the champions league amazing, Wigan beating city in the FA cup, us winning a champions league 2005 with a dog sh!t squad, Leicester winning the league, all of these things to me are what make football special as a fan. I just don't take that much joy from a team with 2 first 11's winning stuff which the ought to be winning. but like I said they won't care and so they shouldn't.

Agree with the defenders point, I'd say if it was down to FSG not wanting to spend money then they have shot themselves in the foot, but again maybe Klopp wasn't so keen? I personally don't know.



Difficult for me to think that Klopp was not so keen to bring a top central defender after the injuries of his first teamers, cannot believe he can be that stupid. But if he is, then he is to be blamed for our debacle and take full responsibility. But then I cannot explain why we brought 2 CD in, one on loan and the other still invisible


They were cheap, a loan fee with an option to buy at a decent price for Kabak and Davies who I expect we will just flip in the summer to make some money as he was near the end of his contract when we got him cheap, probably spent less than 5 million on them 2.


Exactly, they were cheap and FSG probably thought that we will at least make top 4 even if the defence is not taken proper care of as we were top at Christmas. Now it looks like they'll get what they deserve.
Posted by: ecnirp98

Re: How good are our owners? - 06/05/21 12:43 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By jim_beam


I think city fans are exstatic and so they should be.

Look I think they have done amazing work and Pep is one of the best managers ever, they play amazing football which isn't all down to the money but trying to speak as a neutral football fan I will never find their achievements that special. Porto winning the champions league amazing, Wigan beating city in the FA cup, us winning a champions league 2005 with a dog sh!t squad, Leicester winning the league, all of these things to me are what make football special as a fan. I just don't take that much joy from a team with 2 first 11's winning stuff which the ought to be winning. but like I said they won't care and so they shouldn't.

Agree with the defenders point, I'd say if it was down to FSG not wanting to spend money then they have shot themselves in the foot, but again maybe Klopp wasn't so keen? I personally don't know.



Difficult for me to think that Klopp was not so keen to bring a top central defender after the injuries of his first teamers, cannot believe he can be that stupid. But if he is, then he is to be blamed for our debacle and take full responsibility. But then I cannot explain why we brought 2 CD in, one on loan and the other still invisible


They were cheap, a loan fee with an option to buy at a decent price for Kabak and Davies who I expect we will just flip in the summer to make some money as he was near the end of his contract when we got him cheap, probably spent less than 5 million on them 2.


Exactly, they were cheap and FSG probably thought that we will at least make top 4 even if the defence is not taken proper care of as we were top at Christmas. Now it looks like they'll get what they deserve.


Looks like FSG gambled and it back fired, Kabak brought in at the start of the Transfer window may have made the difference with the games we had in New Year. It would be interesting to know Klopp's thought's/attitude on it all and what he wanted, he has often said he does not want a huge squad as he wants to work with players who play, so maybe he was happy with what he had, but with 3 first choice CB out for the season, he must have realised we needed re-enforcements to get 4th.

One thing that struck me with all these injuries, is we used so few of the squad players when first team players look shattered, players like Origi, Shaq, Davies, Kostas & Keita have hardly been used, preferring other players like Fab to be played out of position, surely that shows Klopp has no faith in them and they need to be moved on and we need decent squad players who we can rotate in the squad, no point having them on the books if they are not good enough to play regularly for us, we might not get big money for them, but they are best moved on now.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: How good are our owners? - 07/05/21 07:46 AM

I remember how badly Klopp took Carra's comments that the club made a mistake by not replacing Lovren, who is looking foolish now?