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He used what you would terrorism in his fight for freedom as he barely had any choice and I never said he was not responsible for that, what I said, he was not responsible for necklacing which was being done unless you can show me he ordered that. Comparing him with Hitler is madness anyway.

He was head of the ANC who necklaced opponents whether he personally invented the practice is irrelevant. He was a cold-blooded murderer in his younger days that's a historical fact. He was equivalent to Hitler in that he ordered his followers Hitler personally killed no one, however, no one can doubt he was one of the biggest mass murderers in history.

So, Mandela a freedom fighter is the same as Hitler according to you, right? I better stop arguing with mad people who want to pull Mandela's statue down, but try to do it you old fool and you tell us what happened after that.

Personal insults no facts. I never said I wanted to pull his statue down quite the opposite I said it should stay. My point was when we go back in history few people are perfect by modern-day standards. One other point you said Mandela had no choice but to resort to ordering his henchmen to burn opponents to death. Few in any of the white regime were necklaced all were black victims and of the wrong tribe. Africa is very tribal, very violent (among themselves) and slavery is practiced in around 6 African states to this day.

Where the [oops] did I say that, are you senile or what, just show me where I said that? And you are looking for facts to differentiate between Mandela and Hitler, you've lost, seriously.

When you can't present an argument Vish you get angry and start hurling insults like a big baby. Mandela in his younger days was head of a violent organisation that murdered people in th most horrible way almost exclusively tribal rivals. In later life he changed and did good hence the statue. That's a historical fact and you being angry and throwing your toys out does not change history.

What do you want me to do when you lie, have you found what you stated that I said above? Necklacing as I told you is a violent tradition in Africa which you can still find when a thief/pick pocket is caught on the streets of big cities today, it's not Mandela who started it and we dont even know if it was ordered by him, let alone condoned. Yes, he headed an organisation which in my books was like an army to fight oppression, this is why he was imprisoned by the apartheid government and the whole world had to put sanctions on South Africa until he was freed. Fighting oppression was violent but what options did he have to fight racism? How can you even compare that to Hitler?

He has a fixation on Hitler and sharks.

The ANC murdered many people in the 1960's including the horrible practice of burning alive in the streets while Mandela was leader of that organisation. Thats a historical fact. Mandela's wife was also involved in the football club a brutal group of thugs involved in murder.

They are not the saints you make them out to be.

To my knowledge Hitler murdered no one directly but his rule led to the death of millions in that sense he was like Mandela in the 60's. Hitler though never repented Mandela did.

Thats history there is good and bad you are either too arrogant or too stupid to understand I suspect the former although maybe not with Lumba he probably thinks Mandela was a boy scout in the 60's picking flowers and singing hymms

Surely not as the scouts were just the UK branch of the homophobic Hitler youth?