KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Do we need quotas based on race, re coaches ?

Raheem Sterling has pointed out the discrimination in football where predominantly white people are football managers. Unless there is some form a quota system change will never happen.

Therefore should clubs only be allowed, say one white manager in three for example with a hard law ?

Alternatively

Or should there be other methods to encourage clubs to appoint non white managers as Raheem has suggested?

In which case how would you suggest its done ?

One manager in 3, but how, by lottery? That cannot work.

Maybe the EPL could give a money incentive to clubs having a black manager, ie, one of the criteria to distribute tv money at the end of the season based on number of games managed by a black manager.

thats probably a good suggestion do it by financial incentive and maybe restrict number of white coaches on training courses to be coaches

I wonder will there be the same quota for tea ladies and restaurant staff too?

Should be!

Isn't the Liverpool team coach red?

Black residents constituted around 3 per cent of the United Kingdom's population in 2011, I've not seen any revised numbers but when you take into account that and also a huge influx of foreign Managers over the past 2 decades, the argument becomes tainted.

But when you look at the percentage of black players in UK football, I think the percentage was at least 25% in 2017, the percentage of black people in manager/senior coaching roles is very low.

It is hard to get a solution, I have always thought the best person should get the the job, irrelevant of race/gender etc, but this obviously is not working as black people are not getting the senior jobs? Hopefully it will get better once the owners/directors will not be the same old suits appointing from the usual merry go round of out of work managers like Hodgson/Allardyce/Warnock etc.

It does make you wonder when a very experienced player like SOl Campbell has to drop down to the lower leagues for a job, but players like Gerrard/Lampard/Southgate walk straight into high level jobs and have no problems moving up to bigger jobs even when not particularly successful in those jobs.

Is this really because of race? I am not sure, same as players I am sure clubs will try to get the best available candidates.

Whilst young Raheem says a third of the 500 PL players are black what he does not mention is that BAME people make up 14% of the total population here.

Perhaps he should be proud that 33% of the PL playing population is actually a clear over-representation of BAME in our game at the highest level where they are paid a small fortune every week.

I watched his interview on BBC2 Newsnight after seeing it on BBC Sports pages. The number of times he said "you know" was incredible. Must have said it 40 times.

A bit like John Barnes he is not the best person to hear from but he is one of these go-to people for the lazy press to tap up twice a year on the subject.

The Football League have the Rooney Rule whereby clubs have to interview at least one person from a BAME background. Sol Campbell had an interview for Oxford United 3 years ago and was at one point favourite for the job. However he is a little bit political and perhaps that didn't go down well. Another thing to remember is that many clubs are run by foreigners with money from abroad. It is not just simply a case of white Englishmen denying black people of a job. Foreign managers are quite often the first choice and there are not many valid BAME candidates. Come to think of it there are not many new white candidates.

Lampard and Gerrard have top jobs. Lampard had to go to the Championship and Gerrard went to Scotland. We don't have many ex players from top PL clubs In management.

In the PL we have several journeymen in charge coupled with managers who cut their teeth at a lower level. Moyes, Hodgson, Bruce, Smith, Howe and Dyche come into those categories.

There are 6 BAME managers and that will go down to 5 if Stevenage are relegated to the National League. There have been some high profile sackings of black managers though which pours fuel onto the fire. Chris Hughton has been dismissed twice very unfairly in my view and Darren Moore was also dismissed by WBA where a white manager may well have kept his job.

I think players should stay clear of this subject. It is too political and way beyond their level of intelligence regardless of their ethnicity.

You can’t do anything that would force a club to hire a black manager just to meet a quota or a 1 in 3 rule, as it would just be unenforceable and demeaning to the black manager that got the job just to meet the rule.
Plus it would open a whole load of legal issues I’d say a club were forced to appoint a black manager, then got relegated, they could argue that they wouldn’t have been relegated if they’d appointed the manager they’d wanted etc.

I think the solution is to do more to encourage former black players to do their badges and get into coaching. When you have a larger pool to pick from there’s a better chance some will succeed and get picked up by a big club.
Then while this is developing, introduce financial incentives as mentioned above to encourage more clubs to hire black managers