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Yesterday it was Pepe, today it's Bruno Fernandez

Bruno Fernandes has said he'd rather come to us over anyone as we play his kind of football.

Man utd seem to want him. He will probably end up there.

I still can't see us spending on a first team player. Maybe a couple of players to fill out the squad.

TBH the numbers being quoted for players we seem to be linked with everyday from Portugal are ridiculous. We've battered one of their top teams twice over 2 legs for the past 2 years in the CL and I've seen nothing in the Porto side that had me think that Portugal is a must destination to look for players,

Underwhelming would be an understatement to say about players currently plying their trade in Portugal's domestic, top tier league.

If Fekir is going for 15m we should bite the hands off Lyon and not be contemplating 60 to 70m for players in a sh*ittier league!

Chelsea wanted Fekir, so maybe they might try as replacement for Hazard.

If we don't spend on a first team attacking player, we will not win the EPL, Mark my words

That just isn't true. He has more assists than Firmino and Mane combined. He has more successful take ons than them, more key passes, more through balls, and more chances created. After Trent and Robertson, he is our highest assister. He leads the team in successful dribbles, key passes, and chances created. That may be your opinion, but it has no basis in fact. And even if it were true, it's a silly gripe to have because he scores so bloody often. How many times has he given us the opening goal, the winning goal or the equalizer? Not in our top 3 or 4 players? What are you on about?

As for what you've heard about his agent, give us some sources, because the only public statement his agent has made has been to say that such rumors were rubbish. unless you have a source to back up your claim, it doesn't sound very credible to me.

Van Dyke,Allison and Mane are our top 3 players,i would put Trent and Robinson not far behind them.and i dont need to go dig out some stats sheet to see what i see on the pitch.is there a ball retention and mis-placed pass stat to go with all of that?is there a refusal to use the right foot stat?is there a corner that hit the first man stat?what about a stat that says should have passed but decided to go alone and lost the ball.
Its only my opinion but like i have said before we have seen the best of Salah and i would take a big offer for him.he could go to Barca,Madrid and who know maybe even Man city but i dont think he would hold down a regular place in any of those teams.
Remember our best performance of the season was when Salah wasnt in the team.
i dont have any ITK info i've just read stuff here and there.we probably wont sell him this summer but if we make a big attacking signing before we sell dont be surprised if we then sell Salah.i wouldnt be.

Well what I see on the pitch when I see Salah is our most dangerous player. His dribbling, his pace, his creativity, his eye for goal. If you think Virgil or Alisson are more valuable than him, that could be argued. They're different players, but I see the logic. But no one is contributing more to our attack than him.

His shot accuracy compared to Mane's for example is 47% vs Mane's 31%. His conversion rate is 17% compared to Mane's 14%. He's scored more goals. He's created more goals. He's beaten more men. His shots are more accurate, and his passes are more accurate and more dangerous. If Salah contributes very little to our attack, that is your opinion. It's fairly nebulous and hard to substantiate without evidence, but you can hold it if you like. But everyone else in this team contributes less to our attack than he does, and that is a recorded, quantifiable fact.

You can have your opinion. I have mine. A key difference is that I am substantiating that opinion with facts. Statistics are nothing more than recorded history. I like Mane, but what does Mane do more or better than Salah? He doesn't create more, he doesn't beat more men, and he doesn't score more goals. He has sure missed his share of sitters this year, and he's gotten fouled more, but what has he done this year that Salah hasn't?

As for the Barca game, that's a straw man. Are you going to say that Milner is a better left back than Robertson or Origi is better than Firmino based on that game? We wouldn't have gotten to that game without Salah's goal against Napoli or his outside the boot pass to Mane against Bayern.

People were complaining about Mane similarly last year when he had that rough patch after his sending off against City, saying he was being selfish, that he was jealous of Salah. That was bolx then, and the gripes people have about Salah are bolx now.

I don't think Kernowerd has a substantative or facts based argument here red, just his opinion, and on the evidence of ones eyes whatever about the stats his opinion is just that, his opinion. It's not yours it's not mine, it may be some others opinion too, but I'd venture to say it's very much a minority opinion, and in my view not a very credible opinion.

at this moment Salah is still one of our better players although personally I think Mane is more dangerous and harder to play against for top teams - he is able to go both directions(down the line or cutting inside) while salah is much more single footed and cuts inside 90% of the time.

I personally am neutral on a Salah sale. I think he's good, although I probably dont rate him as highly as some of you.

However I think the point about who we replace him if we sell him still stands. Even if we got like 140m for him (huge if), an equivalent replacement would cost us just as much once teams know we are loaded. Guys like Sancho are reportedly going to cost like 80m and I dont see how it is good business for us to replace Salah.