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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Labour has these six tests which if you read them are ridiculous one is that we leave the EU and have the exact same benefits as EU members good luck with selling that concept to barnier and merkel. The six tests are vaugue and designed to fail in the interpretation of the Labour Party which simply wants to bring the government down irrespective of labour leave voters or the good of the country. Completely disagree with starmer he basically says nothing if you listen to him he says a lot i grant you that but it's meaningless drivel


So what's next then, May doesn't have a majority anymore, Labour wants an election, the clock keeps ticking, the EU doesn't seen to want to even consider opening the withdrawal agreement? Do you want to try crashing out with no deal and see what happens?

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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Labour has these six tests which if you read them are ridiculous one is that we leave the EU and have the exact same benefits as EU members good luck with selling that concept to barnier and merkel. The six tests are vaugue and designed to fail in the interpretation of the Labour Party which simply wants to bring the government down irrespective of labour leave voters or the good of the country. Completely disagree with starmer he basically says nothing if you listen to him he says a lot i grant you that but it's meaningless drivel


So what's next then, May doesn't have a majority anymore, Labour wants an election, the clock keeps ticking, the EU doesn't seen to want to even consider opening the withdrawal agreement? Do you want to try crashing out with no deal and see what happens?


What's next ? Only a fool would predict that. But many predicted Theresa May would get no deal or the EU member states would reject it. Well neither has happened there is one more Hurdle and we are out the EU in four months now. Unfortunetly it's the biggest hurdle. And it's in the hands of our inept politcians most of whom work to their own ends not the nations or the people's. But that's the way things are. However all those politicians voting down the deal need to come up with a workable political alternative I see no sign of that. My instinct says after much posturing the MP,s will vote for Theresa Mays deal maybe on a second vote with a few tweaks


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Labour has these six tests which if you read them are ridiculous one is that we leave the EU and have the exact same benefits as EU members good luck with selling that concept to barnier and merkel. The six tests are vaugue and designed to fail in the interpretation of the Labour Party which simply wants to bring the government down irrespective of labour leave voters or the good of the country. Completely disagree with starmer he basically says nothing if you listen to him he says a lot i grant you that but it's meaningless drivel


So what's next then, May doesn't have a majority anymore, Labour wants an election, the clock keeps ticking, the EU doesn't seen to want to even consider opening the withdrawal agreement? Do you want to try crashing out with no deal and see what happens?


What's next ? Only a fool would predict that. But many predicted Theresa May would get no deal or the EU member states would reject it. Well neither has happened there is one more Hurdle and we are out the EU in four months now. Unfortunetly it's the biggest hurdle. And it's in the hands of our inept politcians most of whom work to their own ends not the nations or the people's. But that's the way things are. However all those politicians voting down the deal need to come up with a workable political alternative I see no sign of that. My instinct says after much posturing the MP,s will vote for Theresa Mays deal maybe on a second vote with a few tweaks


EFTA that would allow free movement of people now, really? Do MPs even know what they want, let alone the people?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/105032...dd-Michael-Gove

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I heard someone on the TV this morning saying that she jut wants MP’s to stop playing politics and get on with it. She was a small business leader and was the first time I’d heard someone say it during an interview. Let’s hope that sentiment grows (I’m sure most of us feel it) and the selfish b’stard MP’s listen.

They’re all just playing games instead of looking after the interest of the country.

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Just seen Sir Kier on the news saying what a bad deal it is yet couldn’t say what a better deal was. Fukking jokers the lot of them.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Just seen Sir Kier on the news saying what a bad deal it is yet couldn’t say what a better deal was. Fukking jokers the lot of them.


Our politicians really are a disgusting bunch brexit is just one example. And it's not just in Britain the USA voted for trump and all over the EU extreme parties are springing to power. That's a clear symptom people don't feel they are being represented. Whatever your opinions on the 2016 vote almost all the public I believe think our political parties should have worked together for the benefit of the nation not their own interests or the interests of their political party. Britain has so far escaped these extreme politics but if this rabble carries on not getting their act together who knows for how long that will continue


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Just seen Sir Kier on the news saying what a bad deal it is yet couldn’t say what a better deal was. Fukking jokers the lot of them.


Our politicians really are a disgusting bunch brexit is just one example. And it's not just in Britain the USA voted for trump and all over the EU extreme parties are springing to power. That's a clear symptom people don't feel they are being represented. Whatever your opinions on the 2016 vote almost all the public I believe think our political parties should have worked together for the benefit of the nation not their own interests or the interests of their political party. Britain has so far escaped these extreme politics but if this rabble carries on not getting their act together who knows for how long that will continue


I can understand Labour rejecting the deal to force a general election, however, I don't understand what Rees Mogg & co want. Anybody understands? Surely, they don't think having your cake and eat it can actually be agreed by the EU, do they?

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Having your cake seems to be what Labour want to though. As with all negotiations you never get all that you want. A lot of this decal meets what Labour said they want as I understand and Sir Kier couldn’t say what a better deal would look like so they are purely trying to sieze power which at this point is beyond shitty of them.

As for the Tory clowns, I think they just want a no deal, to sever ties completely which only they think will be good. They might get their wish though the way things are going.

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Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Having your cake seems to be what Labour want to though. As with all negotiations you never get all that you want. A lot of this decal meets what Labour said they want as I understand and Sir Kier couldn’t say what a better deal would look like so they are purely trying to sieze power which at this point is beyond shitty of them.

As for the Tory clowns, I think they just want a no deal, to sever ties completely which only they think will be good. They might get their wish though the way things are going.


From what I heard from your commons right now, Labour wants a Norway plus type of deal, which I think will immediately provide more certainly but freedom of movement won't end. However, the majority are against a no deal. But they don't want this deal. I think you'll soon have a general election or at least some kind of coalition government. Just getting more and more interesting.

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Still having freedom of movement won’t cut it though. That’s not what people voted for. Most don’t want a no deal as you say but the likes of Rees Mogg do I suspect. Can’t see a general election either.

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