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Backstop which they already agreed to and now no cause May decided to run an election saying "strong and stable" a thousand times. The backstop is only there till stans easy solution is implemented , now in the interest of everybody isn't it easier to accept the already agreed backstop , prove the border issue is so easy and then end the backstop . seems sensible and is what u already signed up to , so why the urgent need to not have the backstop which u already agreed to.

The reason why is because the hardline cowards want a full crash out but are too cowardly to attempt to lead it cause they know it will crush you..meanwhile they are moving their business into the eu , but avoiding the EU's new tax haven rules coming into force soon.. The people of the uk will be left with no industries to work in and eating crap food from the US , whom bty are dictating ur WTO entry.. FREEDOM!

I dont live in Ireland but I am told those in the republic who live near the border with the NI routinely drive over to fill their cars up and get their weekly big shop. Why ? Because its cheaper a lot cheaper I understand. Thats great but there is a loser here an thats the republics economy and exchequer. There is a border now you cant see it but its there and it has customs checks albeit light touch. From what I have read the tax authorities in the republic check only 1% of goods. I get it if the republic and NI were complex huge manufacturing ecomomies. But we are talking here about a few deliveries of milk and carrots and individuals driving over the border to save a few euros. I am struggling to understand how that could not be controlled via mechanisms pretty much as now. Whatever deal we end up with. Its simply being used as a bargaining chip by the EU. If I am wrong please explain how ?

I've already explained in this thread, but you don't seem to understand. The border is not for goods between NI and ROI but what UK will import from the world (apparently) on tariffs which are different from the EU. The EU wants to protect its market from possible dumping, for example, from China. Do you get it? You keep repeating the same crap over and over again without reading answers.

Wrong again: 30,000 people cross the border every day, most of them to work. That's a lot of big shops.

Wrong again: people from the north travel into the Republic for our fuel as it's cheaper there. But I must say it's wonderful to see that you are now concerned about the Republic's economy.

All your latest post shows is that you really have no idea what goes on at the border. Unfortunately that doesn't stop you telling the rest of us that it is a trivial issue that is being used by the EU to punish the U.K. Attempting to trivialise the border issue will not solve it. Britain has already agreed to create a backstop. The problem now is that Britain is trying to abdicate its responsibility in relation to that agreement.

And we haven't even touched on the damage a hard border will do to the Good Friday Agreement and the peace that we have enjoyed for the last 20 years.

This brexiteer magical thinking on the border really must stop as it is achieving absolutely nothing

https://factcheckni.org/facts/do-30000-people-cross-ireland-northern-ireland-border-daily/

I dont live in ireland (as i said) so i dont know where is cheaper but there is plenty online that says its cheaper in the north. But if its cheaper in the republic and you live there so you must know. Fine but that does not change the point there is a soft border and there are winners and losers it is technically smuggling although the authorities are fairly chilled about it probably because the sums are so small not worth chasing the money and the politics of course. You keep banging on about the backstop etc but that is a simply a word you are not explaining why a soft border cannot continue no matter what the deal.

I do know in Ireland the price of petrol differs and it's common practice to fill up whichever side is cheaper. I would imagine both Britain and Ireland buy crude at the same spot price. So the only reason there could be a difference is duty and or vat. Which means tax wise there are winners and losers over the border ? Or have I got that wrong ? I freely admit I don't know I am just confused what the problem is ? I am assuming someone who lives there knows more than me and can explain just what is the problem ?

What are you on about. Are you saying that people from N. Ireland who are buying fuel in the Republic are technically smuggling ? You do realise both are still members of the EU.


It is up to Britan to ensure a soft border remains just like you agreed. You refuse to accept that things will change once you leave the EU. It is amazing that Brexiteers want to take back control of all their borders apart from the one in Ireland.

It's not just up to Britain but both sides to work together particularly at this late stage. Otherwise whatever britain dreams up it will be automatically rejected by the EU. This might have been ok 12 months ago but you are in real danger of having a less than ideal arrangement that is surely the republic of Ireland's concern just as much as the UK. From what I can gather the withdrawal agreement is almost in place the only remaining issue is the border now. And I think that is being held back by the EU in order to drive home a harder bargain on other issues. But whatever the outcome once we leave I bet you there will be a soft border on self assessment and audit check exactly as I have described but before this happens this shadow boxing has to be drawn out. Both sides know the answer now

I dont think the EU is going to shake even a little over the border issue..its for u lot to sort out.