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Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Stanley Park #612401 20/10/18 06:33 PM
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Wrong shaggy there is a border between southern and Northern Ireland it may not be physical but it exists. Both countries have different tax laws and different currencies. There is a customs border which the tax authorities on both sides police. The fact you are unaware of that is no surprise to me. There is no way a hard border will ever be installed all we are talking about is amending existing soft border arrangement or even leaving them as they are. To me that is a simple task and once all this nonsense has finished and the EU screws an extra x billion out of Britain to drag it out that what we will end up with.


There can be a border but movement of both goods and people is frictionless because UK is in the EU, don't know what you are implying.


There are still different tax rates and different currencies between the north and the south therefore there has to be regulation of some sort at the moment. There is no reason I can see why that cant continue partcularly given there is hardly any volume of trade that passes through it. And shaggy just because you live 1.8 miles from somewhere does not make you an authority. For a short time in London I had a flat quarter of a mile from the bank of england it did not make me a international banking expert. Still waiting for a coherant point from you I reckon I will be waiting a very long time


I repeat, if you are in the EU there is no barrier for goods and people, that is free movement. You don't need a physical barrier for taxes and currency but you need them if you have different tariffs on goods. I don't know what you are talking about.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Stanley Park #612402 20/10/18 06:38 PM
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A border does not have to be checkpoint and stopping and searching lorries and cars. It can be done via self assessment and audits. That could comply with WTO rules that is what I cant grasp WTO as I understand it only demands you must demonstate they dont precribe how. Most (All) of the goods coming into the UK from overseas outside the EU (light years more volume than the tiny amount between Ireland and Ulster) operate on that basis. Its hard for me to understand why this cant be done here there is something I am missing

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Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Stanley Park #612403 20/10/18 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
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Wrong shaggy there is a border between southern and Northern Ireland it may not be physical but it exists. Both countries have different tax laws and different currencies. There is a customs border which the tax authorities on both sides police. The fact you are unaware of that is no surprise to me. There is no way a hard border will ever be installed all we are talking about is amending existing soft border arrangement or even leaving them as they are. To me that is a simple task and once all this nonsense has finished and the EU screws an extra x billion out of Britain to drag it out that what we will end up with.


There can be a border but movement of both goods and people is frictionless because UK is in the EU, don't know what you are implying.


There are still different tax rates and different currencies between the north and the south therefore there has to be regulation of some sort at the moment. There is no reason I can see why that cant continue partcularly given there is hardly any volume of trade that passes through it. And shaggy just because you live 1.8 miles from somewhere does not make you an authority. For a short time in London I had a flat quarter of a mile from the bank of england it did not make me a international banking expert. Still waiting for a coherant point from you I reckon I will be waiting a very long time


Obviously you know better than everyone else. I'm amazed you are leading the British negotiating team. You would have solved the Irish border 18 months ago.

Again no mention of the damage that will be done to the Good Friday Agreement by the imposition of a hard border. That's the internationally recognised peace agreement that ended the troubles

No answer as to how you will prevent a hard border if you crash out under WTO rules.

No suggestion as to how you will avoid a hard border once you leave the EU and become a 3rd country.

All you have left is name calling, no answers, just name calling.

Thankfully Ireland no longer dances to England's tune. You created this mess and it is up to you to come up with a workable, acceptable solution.

Though it is beginning to look as though Brexit will never be implemented.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Shaggydog #612404 20/10/18 07:06 PM
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Well I am assuming no hard border and all my posts have articulated no hard border so why Shaggy is ranting about a hard border is anyones guess. But I have long since given up in that quarter. I accept Irish people dont want stops and checking at the border. But that is not necessary there is a border now the EU does not have harmonisation of tax laws. Different tax rates apply between UK and Ireland. There are also different currencies to deal with. I can understand the need for checks if we were talking about vast complex trade. But we are talking about milk vegatables and agregates on a small scale. I cannot believe that cant be achieved without the need for hard border. However I may be wrong Vish / Emp please advise. Shaggy please feel free to vent and with the subject going entirely over your head.

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Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Stanley Park #612405 20/10/18 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Well I am assuming no hard border and all my posts have articulated no hard border so why Shaggy is ranting about a hard border is anyones guess. But I have long since given up in that quarter. I accept Irish people dont want stops and checking at the border. But that is not necessary there is a border now the EU does not have harmonisation of tax laws. Different tax rates apply between UK and Ireland. There are also different currencies to deal with. I can understand the need for checks if we were talking about vast complex trade. But we are talking about milk vegatables and agregates on a small scale. I cannot believe that cant be achieved without the need for hard border. However I may be wrong Vish / Emp please advise. Shaggy please feel free to vent and with the subject going entirely over your head.


The EU and the WTO both deem a border necessary. You don't, so there won't be one. That's literally the height of your argument.
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Stanley Park #612406 20/10/18 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Well I am assuming no hard border and all my posts have articulated no hard border so why Shaggy is ranting about a hard border is anyones guess. But I have long since given up in that quarter. I accept Irish people dont want stops and checking at the border. But that is not necessary there is a border now the EU does not have harmonisation of tax laws. Different tax rates apply between UK and Ireland. There are also different currencies to deal with. I can understand the need for checks if we were talking about vast complex trade. But we are talking about milk vegatables and agregates on a small scale. I cannot believe that cant be achieved without the need for hard border. However I may be wrong Vish / Emp please advise. Shaggy please feel free to vent and with the subject going entirely over your head.


Tax rates depend on where your company is registered, there are no physical borders to pay taxes. You keep on talking crap, you are losing your mind

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Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Shaggydog #612407 20/10/18 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
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Well I am assuming no hard border and all my posts have articulated no hard border so why Shaggy is ranting about a hard border is anyones guess. But I have long since given up in that quarter. I accept Irish people dont want stops and checking at the border. But that is not necessary there is a border now the EU does not have harmonisation of tax laws. Different tax rates apply between UK and Ireland. There are also different currencies to deal with. I can understand the need for checks if we were talking about vast complex trade. But we are talking about milk vegatables and agregates on a small scale. I cannot believe that cant be achieved without the need for hard border. However I may be wrong Vish / Emp please advise. Shaggy please feel free to vent and with the subject going entirely over your head.


The EU and the WTO both deem a border necessary. You don't, so there won't be one. That's literally the height of your argument.



No they dont not a hard border anyway. There is a border now by the way I know border guards dont stop you when you drive your car but there is a soft border. I dont see why similar cant be employed post brexit whatever the deal. I may be wrong but hopefully someone brighter than you can explain it to me

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Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
EnergisedReds #612408 20/10/18 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Well I am assuming no hard border and all my posts have articulated no hard border so why Shaggy is ranting about a hard border is anyones guess. But I have long since given up in that quarter. I accept Irish people dont want stops and checking at the border. But that is not necessary there is a border now the EU does not have harmonisation of tax laws. Different tax rates apply between UK and Ireland. There are also different currencies to deal with. I can understand the need for checks if we were talking about vast complex trade. But we are talking about milk vegatables and agregates on a small scale. I cannot believe that cant be achieved without the need for hard border. However I may be wrong Vish / Emp please advise. Shaggy please feel free to vent and with the subject going entirely over your head.


Tax rates depend on where your company is registered, there are no physical borders to pay taxes. You keep on talking crap, you are losing your mind


Taxation is not just on companies and I am assuming we are talking about companies registered in the UK and Ireland not panama

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Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Stanley Park #612410 20/10/18 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By TiredReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Well I am assuming no hard border and all my posts have articulated no hard border so why Shaggy is ranting about a hard border is anyones guess. But I have long since given up in that quarter. I accept Irish people dont want stops and checking at the border. But that is not necessary there is a border now the EU does not have harmonisation of tax laws. Different tax rates apply between UK and Ireland. There are also different currencies to deal with. I can understand the need for checks if we were talking about vast complex trade. But we are talking about milk vegatables and agregates on a small scale. I cannot believe that cant be achieved without the need for hard border. However I may be wrong Vish / Emp please advise. Shaggy please feel free to vent and with the subject going entirely over your head.


Tax rates depend on where your company is registered, there are no physical borders to pay taxes. You keep on talking crap, you are losing your mind


Taxation is not just on companies and I am assuming we are talking about companies registered in the UK and Ireland not panama


So? What's your point?
Re: Brexit and the chequers agreem
Stanley Park #612411 20/10/18 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Well I am assuming no hard border and all my posts have articulated no hard border so why Shaggy is ranting about a hard border is anyones guess. But I have long since given up in that quarter. I accept Irish people dont want stops and checking at the border. But that is not necessary there is a border now the EU does not have harmonisation of tax laws. Different tax rates apply between UK and Ireland. There are also different currencies to deal with. I can understand the need for checks if we were talking about vast complex trade. But we are talking about milk vegatables and agregates on a small scale. I cannot believe that cant be achieved without the need for hard border. However I may be wrong Vish / Emp please advise. Shaggy please feel free to vent and with the subject going entirely over your head.


The EU and the WTO both deem a border necessary. You don't, so there won't be one. That's literally the height of your argument.



No they dont not a hard border anyway. There is a border now by the way I know border guards dont stop you when you drive your car but there is a soft border. I dont see why similar cant be employed post brexit whatever the deal. I may be wrong but hopefully someone brighter than you can explain it to me


Someone brighter than me wouldn't waste his time trying to explain it to you.

Luckily for you I am patient.

There is a border in name only there are no checkpoints or customs posts and we can drive over and back as freely and as often as we like. That is exactly the same as it is between any other neighbouring EU member states. When you leave the EU you will no longer be a member state. Do you see it now?

What you want and what you will have to put in place are two entirely different things once you leave. Things will no longer be the same as they are now so the same rules will not apply. Still keeping up?

Ireland and the EU have been aware of that from the start of the Brexit negotiations. Hence their request for a backstop. Please tell me I haven't lost you again.

Member of EU - NO BORDER
Leave EU - BORDER
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