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take to streets like u said.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The £39 billion was the commitment that's agreed. We are now discussing the withdrawal agreement. It feels like a war the EU simply stonewalls and they are aided by many British politicians who want to stop brexit by undermining our negotiating position. To an extent they have succeeded. I do believe a deal will be done eventually but I feel it will be worse deal than had our politicians worked together for the good of Britain. No chance of that our politicians are a disgrace and completely out of touch with ordinary British people.


You also agreed on a backstop for the Irish border. Pretending you didn't won't make it go away.

Your government has no plausible Brexit strategy, but neither does the brexiteers.

Your politicians lied to you, promising a Brexit that could never be delivered in the real world. No wonder you are angry.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I am sure the border is important to the people who live around the border with the republic and the british government and the northern ireland leader from the DUP have pledged to ensure no hard border and I am 1000% sure that will happen. However lovely scenery though it is its not even a rounding error in UK / EU trade. I recall mentioning that to you many times before as always you cant grasp it. I also believe once the republic has outlived its usefulness in brexit it will also be an abandoned outpost of the EU. Irexit will grow and grow its inevitable trade / social / culture everything in ireland is very closely linked to britain. since 1923 we have had free movement of peoples and that will continue


Oh dear. So your the solution now is that the Republic will exit the EU.

What country in their right mind would push to leave the EU after the Brexit pantomime.


That is precisely the EU,s plan to punish any country that dares leave and frighten others into not attempting it. Fortunately the British people don't take kindly to threats and bullies. Cant see how post brexit Ireland fits the EU model of eventual United States of Europe.


Can you please explain how the EU is punishing UK?

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British politicans were senior members of the EU , made the uk rich as hell.. British politicans knew full well the difficulties of leaving cause they would have helped make it so difficult .

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The EU holds all the cards in the negotiations because they are being assisted by the Labour Party and assorted hard core remain politicians who want to stop brexit many of these are MP,s whose constituents voted leave. With this support all the EU has to do is stonewall. Even if we get a deal the next big hurdle is parliment agreeing it. The negotiations have been simple the politics is the difficulty. Despite all this I do think there will be a deal at the last minute and I do think it will be approved by parliment. But it won't be as good a deal as we could have got thanks to treacherous British MP,s. The EU is inflexiable and immovable and treats nation states with contempt pre the referedum all these remain politicians who said we could reform the EU from within we're talking tripe. The EU is a dictatorship and has one long term aim a United States of Europe controlled by Germany and France nothing must stand in the way of that. Not my opinion many of the Eastern European countries are openly in conflict with the EU, Italy is in complete economic and political meltdown and the other southern EU states are not far behind. The British people voted to leave the EU and they were absolutely right to do so. Whatever the politicians come up with Britain leaving the EU is irreversable politically


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
The EU holds all the cards in the negotiations because they are being assisted by the Labour Party and assorted hard core remain politicians who want to stop brexit many of these are MP,s whose constituents voted leave. With this support all the EU has to do is stonewall. Even if we get a deal the next big hurdle is parliment agreeing it. The negotiations have been simple the politics is the difficulty. Despite all this I do think there will be a deal at the last minute and I do think it will be approved by parliment. But it won't be as good a deal as we could have got thanks to treacherous British MP,s. The EU is inflexiable and immovable and treats nation states with contempt pre the referedum all these remain politicians who said we could reform the EU from within we're talking tripe. The EU is a dictatorship and has one long term aim a United States of Europe controlled by Germany and France nothing must stand in the way of that. Not my opinion many of the Eastern European countries are openly in conflict with the EU, Italy is in complete economic and political meltdown and the other southern EU states are not far behind. The British people voted to leave the EU and they were absolutely right to do so. Whatever the politicians come up with Britain leaving the EU is irreversable politically


I read the first line where the whole thing is the fault of the Labour Party and didn't bother reading the rest of it.

Utterly pathetic

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I didn't say the whole thing was the fault of the Labour Party as anyone who can read English and has a semblance of inteligence can see. However the Labour Party have clearly paid party politics rather than for the good of the nation even more disgraceful when almost all labour heartlands in the Midlands and north voted to leave.


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I didn't say the whole thing was the fault of the Labour Party as anyone who can read English and has a semblance of inteligence can see. However the Labour Party have clearly paid party politics rather than for the good of the nation even more disgraceful when almost all labour heartlands in the Midlands and north voted to leave.


Nope, still pathetic. Everyone's fault but the mad brexiteers.

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Fairly standard answer from you which we are all used too. Slogans and taunts is the limit of your capability. Emp is at times as mad as a hatter but he can articulate a view I don't agree with most of Vish,s poltics but he clearly is educated on current affairs. Don't you ever feel embarrassed shaggy ? I dont welcome this or take any pleasure from it people post to debate not receive these childish taunts


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Fairly standard answer from you which we are all used too. Slogans and taunts is the limit of your capability. Emp is at times as mad as a hatter but he can articulate a view I don't agree with most of Vish,s poltics but he clearly is educated on current affairs. Don't you ever feel embarrassed shaggy ? I dont welcome this or take any pleasure from it people post to debate not receive these childish taunts


Name calling is all you have left Stan because you have no answers.

You are now pretending that your government didn't give a backstop assurance on the Irish border issue.

Today's gem is that the Brexit negotiations fiasco is labour's fault.

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