KopTalk.com Forums Brexit and the chequers agreement ?

Well, it has already affected me when the GBP lost 12% or so in value, but that's not relevant to anybody in the UK, I understand that and there is nothing I can do about it.

Coming back to the opposition, from what I have understood, the Lib dems want a vote on the deal and the Labour want to negotiate along a customs union line deal. As non of those are being considered by the government, they have every right to find another way, else they are not doing the job they have been elected to do.

May has been tasked with trying to deliver the undeliverable because no one knows what Brexit means and her own cabinet is split over it. No one has a feasible brexit plan either. The negotiations are pathetic because she has tried to run with a Chequers plan that she knew Europe wouldn't accept. Nearly two years wasted on a plan that would never be accepted.

Why would I want it to fail? We on the Irish border will suffer as much as anyone else. People were promised things that were never deliverable and those who promised them were allowed to slink away and abdicate their responsibilities.

Those same people now sit on the sidelines and snipe at May, knowing she can never deliver what they promised.

By the way May called an election after Brexit when negotiations could have been taking place. Probably Corbyn's fault.

How do you think more uncertainty, created by Labour, will help the pound?

I have no problem with them trying to get what they want from the negotiations. But what they're doing is going further than that and isn't right.

Lets face it, the only plan the EU would want is one that means we give them nearly all the money of the membership fee with all the trappings that come with it but have no say in what goes on. Like Norway. That isn't Brexit to most who voted hence why they are trying to get us a bespoke deal and that is why the EU will reject it. As you say it's the impossible.

Your bit in bold is what annoys me most about all this too and even more so why people would vote for something that those selling couldn't or had no power to deliver. It was bonkers and Cameron has a lot to answer for.

I understand why May called a snap election, which she won by the way. Yes they could've been negotiating then but she wanted a clear mandate and term to try and deliver an effective Brexit. Nothing wrong with that but it's a shame she didn't feel the need to campaign once she called it!

Wilki she ended up with a minority government and reliant on the DUP to form a government. We all know how well that has gone. But you are right about her campaign, she has zero charisma.

May fought a diabolical election campaign. Their fatal mistake was assuming Corbyn was such a joke anyone with any sense would turn away from him. To be fair to May the polls were saying that. However the British people saw through that they don't like governments that say vote for me because the opposition is a joke they like governments to present positive reasons to vote. It was a fatal error and it backfired badly. I have read the comments wilki has made which are very sensible and in my view are the majority opinion in the UK even among voters who voted remain. People simply want the politicans to get on with brexit and to work together for the benefit of the country at a time of major national change. Sadly that's not the way our modern politicans work.

I don't know but does the Tory government even listen to the opposition, did they for example propose a cross party platform to agree on the way forward? I don't think so, therefore it's normal for the opposition to do their job, no?

And I don't think things will get any more uncertain than with your divided government, looks to me that anything would be better. If May cannot even convince/lead her cabinet how can she work with the opposition or unite the country?

Do you think Labour would be any less divided? Do you know how most labour voters /areas voted in the referendum?

And there should have been a cross party group for dealing with brexit. But labour, for me, are going beyond what the need to be doing at this moment. Trying to force a general election this close to our exit isn’t trying to help it’s trying to seize power any way they can. It’s a pathetic attempt to get where they probably never should.

Let me ask you though. Should they force a general election, do you think that would help us get s better deal?

It may prevent a no deal wilki.

Also no deal is going to be better than the deal Britain already has/had with the EU.

I think Labour will negotiate a customs union deal with the EU which according to me is acceptable by most. It's true you will not be able to negotiate trade deals on your own but will benefit from all the trade deals you have been benefiting for decades and there is more to come. The Irish border issue will be solved and so would uncontrolled migration. You might have to pay something for it but you will benefit more than what you pay. The Brexiters in labour care mainly about uncontrolled migration. In fact Chequers is to some extent a customs union but where you can have your own trade deals and therefore differing tariffs, which doesn't make any sense as they are mutually exclusive and too complicated.

That said, I don't think raising taxes and forcing companies to give away 10% of their shares will attract investors. So yes, from what I have seen,a Labour government would get you a better deal instead of the limbo you are in now, but I don't think the current Labour is good for business, therefore the economy. Don't know what happened to the Blairites, not Blair but the Blairites.