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Sorry Wilki but you're talking shitttt if you think your beloved Tory party wouldn't be doing exactly the same thing if Labour were in control of this mess.

So are you saying that what the Tory party is doing is good for your country?

This is a Tory created mess and they are no nearer sorting it out than they were two years ago.

But sure let's blame Corbyn.

Woke up with a toothache this morning..Damn you Corbyn!

Seriously, I don't understand what you expect the opposition to do, in fact it's not only Labour. Are you saying they shouldn't say or do anything? If they don't like the Chequers proposal (they are not the only one btw), what are they supposed to do according to you?

What's the best interest of the country?

I'm sure I would as I hold no love for either party. I hold those Torries who are trying to frustrate the process in as much contempt as I do anyone from any other party.

Again, please show me where I'm blaming Labour for any mess we might be in. I'm blaming them and rightly so for playing politics with this and trying to gain an advantage for their own good at a time when we all need to pull together.

Trying to force an election at this point is only in the interests of the Labour party and NO ONE else as all it will do is create even more uncertainty and will mean we will leave without a deal as they won't have time to push their agenda on the EU.

What the Torrie party is doing is trying to negotiate us out of the EU as per the public vote. I know you don't seem to be able to accept that vote, a democratic vote but it's what is happening and a mess or not we have to live by that vote or where does that leave democracy?

I expect them to object to things they don't want. I expect them to try and get what they want written into the negotiations.

But I don't expect them to be playing politics for their own gain at such a crucial time for the future of this country. If that's OK with you then fine but it's not with me and it effects me a whole lot more than it does you.

I have no problem accepting the vote it is the pathetic handling of the negotiations that worries me most. However if you campaigned to leave you maybe should of thought up a plan that you would implement to replace your arrangement with the EU. Unfortunately brexiteers seem to have overlooked this small matter.

The Tory party is unable to negotiate the U.K. out of the EU. because of the civil war that is raging within its own party.

How has Johnson and Davis resigning helped the negotiations, did they put the interests of the country before their own agendas?

How is the constant undermining of the Chequers Plan by Jacob Rees Mogg helping the country secure a better deal? That's the same Rees Mogg who has set up business in Dublin to avoid the coming disaster.

This whole mess was created by the tories for party political reasons. It has backfired spectacularly on them and they have no one to blame but themselves.

Like I've said, I hold all those who are hindering the process in equal contempt. The one thing those who left haven't done is go around calling for a general election at such a crucial time so there is a slight difference there between what they've done and what Labour are doing.

I'd suggest Labour are also quite divided here too. A lot of Labour's heartland voted to leave yet here is red Jezza trying to not leave. How does that promote unity? Most Labour MP's also vowed to uphold the vote so again how does that fit with them doing what they are?

I'd also like to ask again what you're bench marking our pathetic negotiations against? This hasn't been done before so I'm not clear on how or what you're comparing them to? How could Labour, who are also divided, or anyone else do any better?

And if you have no problem with upholding the vote, why do you seem to want it to fail? Would you be happy for another referendum and would you vote to leave as you want to uphold the original vote which was democratic and fair?