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It's been a marriage of convenience for FSG and Klopp's targets.
FSG are overjoyed to play this waiting game... 6 months... a year to eventually laud to us all: "we get our man"!
Whilst patience may be a virtue to some, it's a stupid hindrance to our success. Our rivals upgrade without the need to wait around like we have been doing.
We are still anchored with players who are plainly not good enough. How hard is it to upgrade on Lovren, Moreno, Sturridge and Mignolet and now probably the likes of Ings? The answer to that is NOT very hard, they wouldn't have to look too far or spend a vast amount in doing so.
This long wait game is getting tedious now...serious questions need to be answered on the folks brokering these deals. They are either incompetent or following the Owners wishes in purposely stalling with these acquisitions, so which is it?
Klopp is doing things the way HE wants. So I can assume by you not liking this approach that you want Klopp gone?? We played the waiting game and so far it's paying off. VvD is a massive upgrade on what we have as will Keita be (or should be). There were opther players out there but Klopp has shown a time or two that he knows what he's doing so if HE wants to wait for his man, the right man, then I'm fibne with that. We can upgrade on the players you say and quite easily but you have to get rid of them first and it doesn't look like anyone wants them. I'm sure one or two will go this summer. But Klopp has also shown that he doesn't want too many coming in at one time. It upsets the team and trying to integrate them is a massive thing regardless of whether they're for back up or the first team. And despite all that you've said, we could be crowned champions of Europe again on Saturday. We will be back in the competition next term and with Klopp's record of signing players, who's to say what we could achieve next year? Not bad really for this tedious waiting game is it? Fair enough. What we all fear is that despite the result against Real, the thin squad could easily crumble and we might go backwards next term. And the transfer window seems to pass like a ship in the night. Is that a song? Ships in the night, something something something..da daa da daa daa
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Don't get me wrong, it's great the level of player we're now targeting and "eventually" bringing in, it's just the methods now used. You have to ask yourselves what if Man City, Utd, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern Munich or Barcelona were seriously interested in the likes of VVD or Keita, do they go through the same rigmarole as we have?
Klopp should have the ability to bring in who he wants but not at the timescales now involved. As far as being a big draw for attracting players we are now at an all time high in the premier league era, there really shouldn't be any excuses. Our targets are transparent and that can't be a coincidence. Rival clubs targets don't have this long drawn out process that we have to suffer. Is it because our rivals are more professional in their approach? they must be offering better terms that don't rub up the selling club initially. Our approach is a bull in a china shop, starting at not much more than zero and keep going back in with silly increments whilst it's played out to the World's media. Unfortunately FSG don't get it, they haggle unabated which has more often than not cost us, with our targets going elsewhere because another club comes in with a realistic offer and terms.
I don't know how anyone could be happy that transfer windows are exploited by the Owners to the squads detriment.
Look at City with Sanchez, they had a figure they would not breach, when Utd came in with a crazy package for Sanchez that beat that, City pulled out. Every team has limits and blowing your figures does not always work out well, look at the return Utd have got from Sanchez.....
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Ok you never said publicly in orig comment (see above) and I think we might of been linked with more publicly than your list ? But any way joe Allen in my opinion fellah is a step back! your opinion is he’s worth a punt !
I’m not bent outa shape angry Pi$$ed off or anything else as I clearly told you if anyone is it’s you because you have been picked up on Allen ok I get it you like your say with no disagreements sorry bout that but I disagree it’s called having an opinion if that’s ok with you fellah
No, I said 'looks to me." That means I am making a comment about what is visible and observable to a non-ITK fan like myself. IE what is publicly available. What else would I be able to see? As for the other targets you mention, perhaps you have a point. However, I don't think we were ever in for Joe Hart or Butland, and Klopp has issues with Aubamayang. I don't regard everyone we get tenuously linked with in the Metro as a real target, but maybe that is just me. The ones we actually bid for or linked with by named journalists with a source and a reputation. The Joe Allen crap is from another thread and has no place in this discussion. All I said about Allen was that if we had to pick from relegated players, he'd be a useful squad player because of how thin we are. He's not my first 5th or even 100th choice. Re linked players ! those I listed were in the echo and independent at various times that year, there’s a lot more than your 5 or 6, so point proven I think ? As I said nobody knows who Klopp wanted really ? you say he never got lemar which means you believe he was in for him ? All I can say on that is I havnt seen any links to him this year ? Also re Allen your opinion is he’s worth a punt mine is no chance unless we’re relegated Sorry different opinions nark you  I wouldn't say your point is proven, as we see targets differently. What I call a target is someone linked with us by a named journalist with a real source and a reputation, or an actual bid. You regard a target is every name that showed in the papers. I think it's laughable to think that we were actually considering Joe Hart after his failure in Torino. He can't even get on the West Ham starting 11! Aubamayang was on poor terms with Klopp, but he wanted a move, and rags like the Metro started guessing. If you think we were really in for them, fine, but I disagree. Lemar was an example of a story by a credible source (the BBC), that had some actual legs. It didn't come off, but Monaco being stubborn isn't something we can control. My opinion is not that Joe Allen is worth a punt, so please quit telling me what I think. My comment on him was solely in the context of that thread, buying from the relegated sides. It was a hypothetical for fun. Stop with the straw man crap. Opinions are fine. They're like asswh0les. everyone has em. But I don't much like being told what my opinion is by someone else, especially when they are incorrect.
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Things seem positive re this linked player
Liverpool target Nabil Fekir has dropped a massive hint regarding his future.
As per the reports, the Lyon captain was asked whether a move to Liverpool is a possibility this summer and the Frenchman refused to rule it out.
He said: “Why not. Afterwards, there will be discussions with the president, with my entourage, to take a decision. In life, you should never rule anything out.” Lyon's qualification for CL is not going to help against the tough negotiator Aulas is, we need to have a back up with him, like Pulisic, else he is going to fk us, especially if he is convinced that Klopp goes for his target or nothing. With CL qualification they do not need to sell.
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Don't get me wrong, it's great the level of player we're now targeting and "eventually" bringing in, it's just the methods now used. You have to ask yourselves what if Man City, Utd, Real Madrid, Chelsea, Bayern Munich or Barcelona were seriously interested in the likes of VVD or Keita, do they go through the same rigmarole as we have?
Klopp should have the ability to bring in who he wants but not at the timescales now involved. As far as being a big draw for attracting players we are now at an all time high in the premier league era, there really shouldn't be any excuses. Our targets are transparent and that can't be a coincidence. Rival clubs targets don't have this long drawn out process that we have to suffer. Is it because our rivals are more professional in their approach? they must be offering better terms that don't rub up the selling club initially. Our approach is a bull in a china shop, starting at not much more than zero and keep going back in with silly increments whilst it's played out to the World's media. Unfortunately FSG don't get it, they haggle unabated which has more often than not cost us, with our targets going elsewhere because another club comes in with a realistic offer and terms.
I don't know how anyone could be happy that transfer windows are exploited by the Owners to the squads detriment.
True. There does seem to be far too much foreplay and not enough ruthless urgent negotiation and signings. The whole song and dance routine seems to be a ploy to appease the punters in Liverpool whist keeping the wallet mostly in the pants in Boston.
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It's been a marriage of convenience for FSG and Klopp's targets.
FSG are overjoyed to play this waiting game... 6 months... a year to eventually laud to us all: "we get our man"!
Whilst patience may be a virtue to some, it's a stupid hindrance to our success. Our rivals upgrade without the need to wait around like we have been doing.
We are still anchored with players who are plainly not good enough. How hard is it to upgrade on Lovren, Moreno, Sturridge and Mignolet and now probably the likes of Ings? The answer to that is NOT very hard, they wouldn't have to look too far or spend a vast amount in doing so.
This long wait game is getting tedious now...serious questions need to be answered on the folks brokering these deals. They are either incompetent or following the Owners wishes in purposely stalling with these acquisitions, so which is it?
Klopp is doing things the way HE wants. So I can assume by you not liking this approach that you want Klopp gone?? We played the waiting game and so far it's paying off. VvD is a massive upgrade on what we have as will Keita be (or should be). There were opther players out there but Klopp has shown a time or two that he knows what he's doing so if HE wants to wait for his man, the right man, then I'm fibne with that. We can upgrade on the players you say and quite easily but you have to get rid of them first and it doesn't look like anyone wants them. I'm sure one or two will go this summer. But Klopp has also shown that he doesn't want too many coming in at one time. It upsets the team and trying to integrate them is a massive thing regardless of whether they're for back up or the first team. And despite all that you've said, we could be crowned champions of Europe again on Saturday. We will be back in the competition next term and with Klopp's record of signing players, who's to say what we could achieve next year? Not bad really for this tedious waiting game is it? Fair enough. What we all fear is that despite the result against Real, the thin squad could easily crumble and we might go backwards next term. And the transfer window seems to pass like a ship in the night. Is that a song? Ships in the night, something something something..da daa da daa daa Who says we’ll have a thin squad next season? The transfer window is barely open so hasn’t gone anywhere yet.
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Considering the thee enormity of the game in in Kiev, it’s not surprising transfer talk is slow and rightly so, let’s get the job done in Kiev, then got the transfers done ASAP after that ! Not true at all. It has been the same money game since FSG took over the club. Their business model does not include dynamic acquisition of established quality players at current industry rates. It includes deliberated acquisition of mostly bargain buys and the occasional not-too-expensive buy of a semi-star player. That's where we are at.
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Considering the thee enormity of the game in in Kiev, it’s not surprising transfer talk is slow and rightly so, let’s get the job done in Kiev, then got the transfers done ASAP after that ! Not true at all. It has been the same money game since FSG took over the club. Their business model does not include dynamic acquisition of established quality players at current industry rates. It includes deliberated acquisition of mostly bargain buys and the occasional not-too-expensive buy of a semi-star player. That's where we are at. Mane was done quickly as was Salah. We got VvD wrapped up before the winter window even opened too and he was hardly cheap, if anything well above the going rate. The one bargain we got in Robertson last year has turned into a very shrewd buy also so I would welcome more of those. I really don't see what you're moaning about here or where you're coming from?
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The fact that Klopp got the players he wanted last few windows, tells me that FSG has been backing Klopp. I am personally not a big fan of them,... but we can't always blame them if certain targets don't materialize. We don't know if the current links are players Klopp wants or the scouts choices, but they are quality. Another positive is that it seems the scouting department are finally doing their jobs, because if recent reports are to believed, that they had to persuaded Klopp to sign Salah, than we are really moving in the right direction.
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Disagree recently fsg have stood up I’m gunna give them a chance for this summer but that’s it if they don’t get the players we need
Saying that’s not true is a bit strange tbh ? As this is an enormous game and ramifications all focus should be on that till after the week end imo Your must be right.
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