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Think half the problem with Northern Ireland is they hide behind the religious excuse when really they are just bitter people looking for any old excuse to hurt one another....even since the good Friday agreement when it's all supposed to of stopped it's still carrying on just not being publicised...we should of just let them get on with it as there not worth it...

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Vish has asked why is Ulster not part of Ireland ? Simple Vish the majority of the population see themselves as British and want to remain British even to this day the minority community (of which shaggy is part of that community) oppose this and in the past (and to an extent) the present some within the republican community oppose that democratic will by violence and murder


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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Shaggy could you explain the context and history of the Ulster volunteers ? What did they stand for and who sent a navy to oppose them before World War One ? In addition to the army ? And what event stopped it ?


The UVF was an illegal loyalist organisation that murdered numerous innocent nationalists during the troubles. Google the shankhill butchers to learn of their heroic actions to save Ulster. Warning, very graphic content.

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish has asked why is Ulster not part of Ireland ? Simple Vish the majority of the population see themselves as British and want to remain British even to this day the minority community (of which shaggy is part of that community) oppose this and in the past (and to an extent) the present some within the republican community oppose that democratic will by violence and murder


Stan forgot to mention how there is a small group of people on the island of Ireland who think they are British.

They were literally planted here by the English, being promised large areas of land in N. Ireland in particular in return for their allegiance to the English crown. Stan also declined to mention that the Irish people who owned that land were driven off it by heroic English soldiers.

The 6 counties was then created by Britain in the 1920's after loyalists threatened war if Home Rule for the entire island of Ireland, which had been passed by the British Parliament was introduced. Stan also calls this democracy. There are 9 counties in Ulster but the loyalists took only six to ensure that they would always have an electoral majority. Stan again calls this democracy.

In Co. Derry (one of the six counties) where there has always been a nationalist majority unionist politicians still controlled the council through a system of gerrymandering. This denied most Catholics the right to vote and gave many loyalists multiple votes. Stan yet again calls this democracy.

This 6 county state that Stan holds in such high esteem was described by its first PM as a Protestant state for a Protestant people. Not much inclusivity there.

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Originally Posted By giorgiomoroder
Think half the problem with Northern Ireland is they hide behind the religious excuse when really they are just bitter people looking for any old excuse to hurt one another....even since the good Friday agreement when it's all supposed to of stopped it's still carrying on just not being publicised...we should of just let them get on with it as there not worth it...


Im sorry, that made no sense. Your English isn't great.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By giorgiomoroder
Think half the problem with Northern Ireland is they hide behind the religious excuse when really they are just bitter people looking for any old excuse to hurt one another....even since the good Friday agreement when it's all supposed to of stopped it's still carrying on just not being publicised...we should of just let them get on with it as there not worth it...


Im sorry, that made no sense. Your English isn't great.
sorry don't agree with this point...

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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish has asked why is Ulster not part of Ireland ? Simple Vish the majority of the population see themselves as British and want to remain British even to this day the minority community (of which shaggy is part of that community) oppose this and in the past (and to an extent) the present some within the republican community oppose that democratic will by violence and murder


How come a majority in a county (geographically) wants to form part of another country, looks weird, don't you think so? I don't know the history but how is it that there are more protestants there than Catholics, because I feel this is the difference compared to the rest of the island.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish has asked why is Ulster not part of Ireland ? Simple Vish the majority of the population see themselves as British and want to remain British even to this day the minority community (of which shaggy is part of that community) oppose this and in the past (and to an extent) the present some within the republican community oppose that democratic will by violence and murder


Stan forgot to mention how there is a small group of people on the island of Ireland who think they are British.

They were literally planted here by the English, being promised large areas of land in N. Ireland in particular in return for their allegiance to the English crown. Stan also declined to mention that the Irish people who owned that land were driven off it by heroic English soldiers.

The 6 counties was then created by Britain in the 1920's after loyalists threatened war if Home Rule for the entire island of Ireland, which had been passed by the British Parliament was introduced. Stan also calls this democracy. There are 9 counties in Ulster but the loyalists took only six to ensure that they would always have an electoral majority. Stan again calls this democracy.

In Co. Derry (one of the six counties) where there has always been a nationalist majority unionist politicians still controlled the council through a system of gerrymandering. This denied most Catholics the right to vote and gave many loyalists multiple votes. Stan yet again calls this democracy.

This 6 county state that Stan holds in such high esteem was described by its first PM as a Protestant state for a Protestant people. Not much inclusivity there.


This is what I thought because it looked weird that one region of an island thought differently to the rest. The British have done that at a number of places like Gibraltar and the Falklands in their empire days which some think will come back soon as they move out of the EU. Hopefully for the UK the younger population will have a different view.

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Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By giorgiomoroder
Think half the problem with Northern Ireland is they hide behind the religious excuse when really they are just bitter people looking for any old excuse to hurt one another....even since the good Friday agreement when it's all supposed to of stopped it's still carrying on just not being publicised...we should of just let them get on with it as there not worth it...


Im sorry, that made no sense. Your English isn't great.


I rather think his view is very simplistic to make any sense, nothing new should we say.

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