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Absolutely unbelievable scenes but this is not some African or South American failed state this is Spain within the so called democratic EU. BBC News this day the sight of a 79 year old woman hit in the face with a baton and middle aged people beaten to a pulp for the crime of wanting democracy. This is just the beginning of the fall of the evil EU empire Italy Germany France Greece Holland Sweden Denmark all in the queue

I don't think this has anything to do with the EU, haven't heard the Catalans saying they want to leave the EU, have you?

Not directly no but not sure you know about Central Europe Vish but because of centuries of conflict (unlike Britain) the borders and factions are pretty fluid this is across much of Central Europe. Catalan is one but there are many others in Eastern Europe and Central Europe Holland Belgium Austria Germany and the ex soviet states. Overlay this with the general political unrest as you saw in elections in Germany France Holland where extreme politics gains power the EU is breaking apart this devolution with add to the mix. If Catalan seeks independence Which looks now likely they will be outside the EU as a new state they will have to reapply

Probably Ireland the only exception and that was a one off event as far as I am aware the borders of Wales Scotland and England are fairly static and have been for many centuries if not thousands of years whereas in Europe they change in living memory. There is a bar on the border of I think Belgium and Holland and the border goes right through the bar and the bar has different licensing laws so you order a drink the barman says sorry last orders have gone but if you step a yard to the right I can serve you for another two hours because you are in a different country. This is because the border has been redrafted many times often within recent generations. If you remember just after the referendum result Scotland declared they wanted to seperate from Britain and join the EU the EU rejected this why ? Because they did not want to encourage break up in Europe which is a big danger for them

I think you will find that both Scotland and Wales have at various times in their history fought for their independence from England.

Britain has also faced armed resistance from countries striving to claim their independence throughout your history. Those countries include USA, South Africa and Ireland. Britain has caused plenty of conflict around the globe.