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My theory is that Klopp has bought into the media hype that he can turn average players into world class. And that would make the owners grin.
And it is true that he can get the players to lift sometimes, but next match they revert to being less than average.
Maybe he convinced himself that the playing standard could be improved with his mentoring and hugs and rollicking wind ups of the crowd at Anfield?
That's it. Mystery solved.
I am tired of all of this. A lot of players developed and enjoyed their best football under Klopp. I just named some in Liverpool for your easy reference(in case you are not familiar with Bundesliga) Mane, Coutinho, Lallana, Can, Firminho, Matip wow. Thanks for setting me straight man. gee willikers. you dun educated me. hat gute bundesliga. unt bundesliga ist sehr gut
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Alberto actually improved in defending. Yes, he might still have some nasty challenges this season, however, he is no more a defensive liability. Look back to those games in this season, any goals we conceded that is directly related to him? I don't think so. Milner is still here and with the addition of Robertson, if Alberto performed badly, he will be benched.
However, this season he did quite good so far. Providing an extra force in attack (contributed to a few goals already) and defence is quite decent. I think it is unfair to judge him and write him off at the moment.
P.S. For Carra, he was not that good in his first few years of career. He made some errors and crazy own goals in early years. I remember a lot of fans said he had no future in the club and asked to ship him out. (same as Lucas)
Moreno has no positional sense and can't defend, he hasn't improved because he can't. There have been plenty of times this season where he's been out of position, when we conceded a penalty at Hoffenheim it was because he was closing down their goalkeeper, inside the first 5 minutes of an away European game. We bought a new left back in Robertson, he's played one game, in that game he played well and we kept a clean sheet. Why brain-dead Moreno gets games ahead of him, or even Milner I'll never know. To say he isn't a defensive liability is ridiculous I'm afraid, anyone who watches us regularly knows how much of a problem he is, and that's why every away team targets our left back area with their attacks. I've been going to games for a long time and whilst Carragher struggled at the start, there was never any doubting his ability to defend. As for the own goals comment, you are basing that solely on one game against Man Utd at home, I think it was 97/98 or 98/99. Own goals happen, it doesn't make him a bad defender.
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Its down to Klopp to sort out the the defense problem asap but that ship has sailed i think, why do we have to wait for Jan,then wait until summer,then wait until jan? or buy players to sit unused on the bench ? We have been doing this for years now and still there are positions that need sorting. Its unrealistic to expect wins by simply scoring bags full of goals and hoping we don't concede  Im sick and tired of waiting my patience has been worn down and the worst thing is we wait so long for one measly player to plug a gap only for another to open up IE phil will want to go followed swiftly by the likes of Mane,and so it goes on and on and on.....  I wouldn't like to see Klopp sacked but he will be if he doesn't hurry up and address the problems, his head will be on the block without doubt and he will deserve the criticism . Yeah, that about sums it up, we've had nigh on 30 years of patience, and one has to ask where does patience end and complacency begin? Should we wait 40 years or why not 50 years? If we have any ambition and I think it's questionable if this club or most of it's fan have anymore, then we have to stop making excuse after excuse for failure and demand the improvements that glaringly need to be addressed, and aren't being addressed. If I'm honest, I've felt since the first time Klopp was mentioned as a replacement for Rodgers, that fans we're overrating him, and on fairly scant evidence too. Comparing achievements in a two horse league in Germany, with the rigours and competition of the PL was childish, foolish and is now being slowly revealed as such. Klopp is showing increasing signs of struggling with the demands of the PL and also the CL. Now he may rise to the challenge, but I for one won't be surprised if he doesn't. I always knew that you didn't rate Klopp except after we won against Arsenal Wonder how you knew that vish? I've never given Klopp a rating, I've criticised him and I've praised him on those occasions where he deserved it. I'm sure you can recall the hysteria on this forum when Klopp was mentioned as a possible contender for Rodgers replacement, it was way, way over the top, childish and foolish, given where he was coming from. I have said previously that I would rate Klopp on his achievements with us, and to date his record is what I'd describe as the 'Curates egg' good in spots, but ultimately disappointing. However as with every manager and every player I'll give him a reasonable amount of time before I write his obituary or his eulogy. What is a reasonable amount of time I hear you ask, well would you agree with say 3 years, or even 4 years? Or would you say if we slump to 6th this season we cut our loses?
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Its down to Klopp to sort out the the defense problem asap but that ship has sailed i think, why do we have to wait for Jan,then wait until summer,then wait until jan? or buy players to sit unused on the bench ? We have been doing this for years now and still there are positions that need sorting. Its unrealistic to expect wins by simply scoring bags full of goals and hoping we don't concede Im sick and tired of waiting my patience has been worn down and the worst thing is we wait so long for one measly player to plug a gap only for another to open up IE phil will want to go followed swiftly by the likes of Mane,and so it goes on and on and on..... I wouldn't like to see Klopp sacked but he will be if he doesn't hurry up and address the problems, his head will be on the block without doubt and he will deserve the criticism . Yeah, that about sums it up, we've had nigh on 30 years of patience, and one has to ask where does patience end and complacency begin? Should we wait 40 years or why not 50 years? If we have any ambition and I think it's questionable if this club or most of it's fan have anymore, then we have to stop making excuse after excuse for failure and demand the improvements that glaringly need to be addressed, and aren't being addressed. If I'm honest, I've felt since the first time Klopp was mentioned as a replacement for Rodgers, that fans we're overrating him, and on fairly scant evidence too. Comparing achievements in a two horse league in Germany, with the rigours and competition of the PL was childish, foolish and is now being slowly revealed as such. Klopp is showing increasing signs of struggling with the demands of the PL and also the CL. Now he may rise to the challenge, but I for one won't be surprised if he doesn't. I always knew that you didn't rate Klopp except after we won against Arsenal Wonder how you knew that vish? I've never given Klopp a rating, I've criticised him and I've praised him on those occasions where he deserved it. I'm sure you can recall the hysteria on this forum when Klopp was mentioned as a possible contender for Rodgers replacement, it was way, way over the top, childish and foolish, given where he was coming from. I have said previously that I would rate Klopp on his achievements with us, and to date his record is what I'd describe as the 'Curates egg' good in spots, but ultimately disappointing. However as with every manager and every player I'll give him a reasonable amount of time before I write his obituary or his eulogy. What is a reasonable amount of time I hear you ask, well would you agree with say 3 years, or even 4 years? Or would you say if we slump to 6th this season we cut our loses? As long as I can see the team keep improving, I will give his time. Our team is definitely stronger when comparing to last season team. We have upgraded a few positions and added the squad depth as well. Our attack looks even better. (Imagine if both Coutinho, Lallana and Clyne sat out last season, what would our team be?) Klopp's second full season is just started (When judging Klopp, I hate to add his first season. As it is rather unfair to him as that season has already ruined before he actually came.) We are now 3 points behind the top (after playing Citeh and Arsenal) and we just drew our first game (with the best opponent in the same group) in CL. Although it is not a fantastic start, it is not a bad start either, right? As long as our team improving, I will support Klopp as our manager. Besides, I dont think adding any time frame is meaningful. If Klopp's team is as bad as that when Rodgers left, he will go.
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I have no doubt Klopp will be,has been and should be given some time but i would like to see his time spent well, up to now the time spent sorting out the defense doesnt look that great tbh.
But for now time is on his side ,i really hope he succeeds.
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i hope so too Lain.. what other options do we have . changing managers so quick is never easy with a clueless squad n a club with no direction or limited resources.
I would give Klopp as much time required.
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I do think somebody respected within the club should have a 1-1 with Klopp and advise him to bring onboard experienced Coach/es or former players to help out with our pathetic defensive issues.
I just get the impression that Klopp is too belligerent and blinkered and wants things done his way? He probably believes him being a former defender that he knows what is needed. There are plenty of great former players who'd jump at the chance to come in and give Klopp some guidance on our defence...Hyppia & Hansen are just 2 who spring to mind not doing anything at the moment.
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I do think somebody respected within the club should have a 1-1 with Klopp and advise him to bring onboard experienced Coach/es or former players to help out with our pathetic defensive issues.
I just get the impression that Klopp is too belligerent and blinkered and wants things done his way? He probably believes him being a former defender that he knows what is needed. There are plenty of great former players who'd jump at the chance to come in and give Klopp some guidance on our defence...Hyppia & Hansen are just 2 who spring to mind not doing anything at the moment. Yep, I agree, I think Steve Clarke would be good as well, he did well with Kenny and has proved himself coaching at big clubs under big name managers like Kenny & Mourinho at Chelski.
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Also, some questions:
Why sign Grujic?
Why sign Chamberlain?
Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson?
Why play Karius?
Why sell Sakho without replacing him?
Why play Henderson?
Why give Lovren a new contract?
And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!? Yeah, i know. This is a few pages back but so what. I totally agree with the why's. I have a few of my own. 1) Why lie about Couthinos back problem 2) Why deny there is a defensive problem when everyone and his dog can clearly see that there is one. After Brenda, I had hope for Klopp about being more honest with the fans. Now, when he opens his mouth it's not if $h1te will come out, it's a question of how much. Like the managers before him, I can't help thinking the owners pull his strings more than we realise.
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Also, some questions:
Why sign Grujic?
Why sign Chamberlain?
Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson?
Why play Karius?
Why sell Sakho without replacing him?
Why play Henderson?
Why give Lovren a new contract?
And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!? Yeah, i know. This is a few pages back but so what. I totally agree with the why's. I have a few of my own. 1) Why lie about Couthinos back problem 2) Why deny there is a defensive problem when everyone and his dog can clearly see that there is one. After Brenda, I had hope for Klopp about being more honest with the fans. Now, when he opens his mouth it's not if $h1te will come out, it's a question of how much. Like the managers before him, I can't help thinking the owners pull his strings more than we realise. I think Coutinho did have a back problem initially, as he missed some pre-season games before the Barca bids/speculation started.
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