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Also, some questions:
Why sign Grujic?
Why sign Chamberlain?
Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson?
Why play Karius?
Why sell Sakho without replacing him?
Why play Henderson?
Why give Lovren a new contract?
And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!? I can answer some Why sign Grujic? We signed him as he is one of a good prospect in Europe. But if you look at his pre-season, he is still adapting the tempo of the game. Sometimes making nasty challenges and unnecessary turnovers. However, there is something in him. He just need some time to adapt to our game and EPL.Why sign Chamberlain? He just signed for us and trained with us for a few games. It takes him some time to learn our system. The team lack of home grown players and he will be a good addition in the long run.Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson? He is fit and he had a few nice games for us this season.Can't you see how much trouble he made to Sevilla? If we were so impatient and wrote off a player so easily, Carra would be gone to other teams in his early career.Why play Karius? I believe there is a deal between Karius/Ward with Klopp. Klopp gives them some chances to play so that they are willing to stay as a back up goalkeeper. Btw, I believe Klopp wants Karius as our number 1 in his campaign. Karius was so good in the bundesliga.Why sell Sakho without replacing him? He was not playing last season anyway. Did he play any games for us last season? Why we need to replace a player that did not play for us?Why play Henderson? He is the captain and he has some decent games for us. Remind you, the first goal began with a nice one-two by Hendo and Moreno.Why give Lovren a new contract? If you don't give him a new contract, he will lose him for free. Nowadays, it is costly to find a replacement. Remember, that Michael Keane worths 30M. Although I don't think Lovern is world class, I prefer to have Lovern at the back rather to waste 30M to sign Keane tbh.And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!? Gini does a lot of dirty work. He runs all over the pitch and helps to build up team play by doing simple pass and move. He also helps us to do transition work between defend and attack. Also, he has great movements which allow him to get into some good position for scoring. If you rarely realise he was playing, please check his goals and assists records last season. He is one of our players that always being underrated.
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I would agree that Rafas team was more balanced but footy has changed a lot since then (endless $$$$ ) . there were no spuds or shitty threatening. its been a lot more competitive n ruthless over the years. Rafa or his squad of that time would not do any better than our current lot I reckon
Yep i know city and their endless $$$ has certainly changed the scene alot. My point is just that it's much easier to build from the back and organise a defence than to do it the other way round. We got to 2 Champions league finals in Rafa's first 3 years on the back of our defence. And although we did not bring in huge players(except Torres) our overall squad I would argue is alot stronger except for the wide attackers. Reina > Mignolet Carragher+ Hyppia/Agger > lov+matip riise/aurelio + arbeloa > moreno + TAA mascherano,alonso+gerrard > any 3 of our midfielders torres > firmino (imo)
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Its down to Klopp to sort out the the defense problem asap but that ship has sailed i think, why do we have to wait for Jan,then wait until summer,then wait until jan? or buy players to sit unused on the bench ? We have been doing this for years now and still there are positions that need sorting. Its unrealistic to expect wins by simply scoring bags full of goals and hoping we don't concede  Im sick and tired of waiting my patience has been worn down and the worst thing is we wait so long for one measly player to plug a gap only for another to open up IE phil will want to go followed swiftly by the likes of Mane,and so it goes on and on and on.....  I wouldn't like to see Klopp sacked but he will be if he doesn't hurry up and address the problems, his head will be on the block without doubt and he will deserve the criticism . Yeah, that about sums it up, we've had nigh on 30 years of patience, and one has to ask where does patience end and complacency begin? Should we wait 40 years or why not 50 years? If we have any ambition and I think it's questionable if this club or most of it's fan have anymore, then we have to stop making excuse after excuse for failure and demand the improvements that glaringly need to be addressed, and aren't being addressed. If I'm honest, I've felt since the first time Klopp was mentioned as a replacement for Rodgers, that fans we're overrating him, and on fairly scant evidence too. Comparing achievements in a two horse league in Germany, with the rigours and competition of the PL was childish, foolish and is now being slowly revealed as such. Klopp is showing increasing signs of struggling with the demands of the PL and also the CL. Now he may rise to the challenge, but I for one won't be surprised if he doesn't. Bundesliga is never a two horses league. It is a one horse league tbh. Before the day Klopp take charge, Dortmund is a team that with real danger for relegation (ranked 13rd or 14th at the end of the season and reminded you in case you dont know, if you ranked 16th in Bundesliga, you need to play play-off games in order to stay up). They didn't have good players and was in serious financial trouble. It is Jurgen who took charge and brought in and developed players. It took Jurgen a few years to turn Gotze/Reus/Lewandowski/Sahin/Kagawa/Hummels into world class players. He won the league and made the so-called one horse league become two horses league. He turned the Dortmund from a relegation side to a real force in CL that no once could be ignored. He also won the Bundeliga. BM could only stop Klopp by regularly tapping up Dortmund's best players. Do BM really need Gotze/Lewandowski? Definitely not! They just do so to make sure Dortmund side cannot perform too well. Remind you, most of the players that left Klopp did not perform as good as they were in Dortmund. Klopp takes charge in Liverpool and is doing exactly the same campaign for us. It may need some time but our team is definitely improving. Anyone remembers our team cannot beat any sides in the top half of table before Klopp took charge? Before Klopp came, we ranked 6th or 7th and we deserved to be there in terms of performance(if not even lower). We are definitely a side inproved each year. For those who is complaining our midfieder, please remember two of our best players (- Coutinho and lallana) last season didnt feature yet. See how much we have improved in our squad depth this year. And you is trying to tell me this manager is overrated? I think he is just being underrated.
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I would agree that Rafas team was more balanced but footy has changed a lot since then (endless $$$$ ) . there were no spuds or shitty threatening. its been a lot more competitive n ruthless over the years. Rafa or his squad of that time would not do any better than our current lot I reckon
Yep i know city and their endless $$$ has certainly changed the scene alot. My point is just that it's much easier to build from the back and organise a defence than to do it the other way round. We got to 2 Champions league finals in Rafa's first 3 years on the back of our defence. And although we did not bring in huge players(except Torres) our overall squad I would argue is alot stronger except for the wide attackers. Reina > Mignolet Carragher+ Hyppia/Agger > lov+matip riise/aurelio + arbeloa > moreno + TAA mascherano,alonso+gerrard > any 3 of our midfielders torres > firmino (imo) We are on a journey to become great again. You can see it this year, players want to join us and push the train together. Ox turned down a good offer to choose us. Naby Keita knew it is more difficult to fight for a CL place in EPL and he still chose to join us even he didnt have assurance whether we will play in CL next season. Lemar turned down Arsenal and wants to join us. VVD, for sure, wants us and nothing else. We started to become a real force and having our pride as a big club in Europe again. This is the first time that I have such feeling after Rafa left tbh.
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Also, some questions:
Why sign Grujic?
Why sign Chamberlain?
Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson?
Why play Karius?
Why sell Sakho without replacing him?
Why play Henderson?
Why give Lovren a new contract?
And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!? I can answer some Why sign Grujic? We signed him as he is one of a good prospect in Europe. But if you look at his pre-season, he is still adapting the tempo of the game. Sometimes making nasty challenges and unnecessary turnovers. However, there is something in him. He just need some time to adapt to our game and EPL.Why sign Chamberlain? He just signed for us and trained with us for a few games. It takes him some time to learn our system. The team lack of home grown players and he will be a good addition in the long run.Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson? He is fit and he had a few nice games for us this season.Can't you see how much trouble he made to Sevilla? If we were so impatient and wrote off a player so easily, Carra would be gone to other teams in his early career.Why play Karius? I believe there is a deal between Karius/Ward with Klopp. Klopp gives them some chances to play so that they are willing to stay as a back up goalkeeper. Btw, I believe Klopp wants Karius as our number 1 in his campaign. Karius was so good in the bundesliga.Why sell Sakho without replacing him? He was not playing last season anyway. Did he play any games for us last season? Why we need to replace a player that did not play for us?Why play Henderson? He is the captain and he has some decent games for us. Remind you, the first goal began with a nice one-two by Hendo and Moreno.Why give Lovren a new contract? If you don't give him a new contract, he will lose him for free. Nowadays, it is costly to find a replacement. Remember, that Michael Keane worths 30M. Although I don't think Lovern is world class, I prefer to have Lovern at the back rather to waste 30M to sign Keane tbh.And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!? Gini does a lot of dirty work. He runs all over the pitch and helps to build up team play by doing simple pass and move. He also helps us to do transition work between defend and attack. Also, he has great movements which allow him to get into some good position for scoring. If you rarely realise he was playing, please check his goals and assists records last season. He is one of our players that always being underrated. All great then. By the way, I don't think we have any problems regarding home grown players and 40m could have been better invested as we needed a defender much more than a winger/AM which the Ox is. Also, even if Lovren was given an extension, we should have bought a CD, it is not either or. Moreno is not better than Robertson at defending at the very least. For the rest I more or less agree.
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Also, some questions:
Why sign Grujic?
Why sign Chamberlain?
Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson?
Why play Karius?
Why sell Sakho without replacing him?
Why play Henderson?
Why give Lovren a new contract?
And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!? I can answer some Why sign Grujic? We signed him as he is one of a good prospect in Europe. But if you look at his pre-season, he is still adapting the tempo of the game. Sometimes making nasty challenges and unnecessary turnovers. However, there is something in him. He just need some time to adapt to our game and EPL.Why sign Chamberlain? He just signed for us and trained with us for a few games. It takes him some time to learn our system. The team lack of home grown players and he will be a good addition in the long run.Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson? He is fit and he had a few nice games for us this season.Can't you see how much trouble he made to Sevilla? If we were so impatient and wrote off a player so easily, Carra would be gone to other teams in his early career.Why play Karius? I believe there is a deal between Karius/Ward with Klopp. Klopp gives them some chances to play so that they are willing to stay as a back up goalkeeper. Btw, I believe Klopp wants Karius as our number 1 in his campaign. Karius was so good in the bundesliga.Why sell Sakho without replacing him? He was not playing last season anyway. Did he play any games for us last season? Why we need to replace a player that did not play for us?Why play Henderson? He is the captain and he has some decent games for us. Remind you, the first goal began with a nice one-two by Hendo and Moreno.Why give Lovren a new contract? If you don't give him a new contract, he will lose him for free. Nowadays, it is costly to find a replacement. Remember, that Michael Keane worths 30M. Although I don't think Lovern is world class, I prefer to have Lovern at the back rather to waste 30M to sign Keane tbh.And what does Wijnaldum DO!?!?! I rarely realise he's playing!? Gini does a lot of dirty work. He runs all over the pitch and helps to build up team play by doing simple pass and move. He also helps us to do transition work between defend and attack. Also, he has great movements which allow him to get into some good position for scoring. If you rarely realise he was playing, please check his goals and assists records last season. He is one of our players that always being underrated. All great then. By the way, I don't think we have any problems regarding home grown players and 40m could have been better invested as we needed a defender much more than a winger/AM which the Ox is. Also, even if Lovren was given an extension, we should have bought a CD, it is not either or. Moreno is not better than Robertson at defending at the very least. For the rest I more or less agree. Um... I think we may not need atm, but we will need home-grown players in the long run. See our current home-grown players list, Lallana is turning to his thirties, Milner may stay with us for one or two more seasons only. Ings is an unsure as I think the club may ship him out if he cant stay free from injuries. Sturridge's contract is going to be expired one or two more years, will he stay with us? Will FSG sanction to offer that lots of salary to an injured prone players? He is another uncertain. Flanangan is another uncertain too. Not sure if he will stay with us in the future. He is now the 4th choice LB or RB. Luckily, we got Gomez, Arnold, Woodburn and Solanke in the future. However, can they make it to the first team in the long run is also an unsure. This is always good to find some more home-grown players that can really get into the first team. Ox may not be the best players in our team but I like his versatililty.
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My theory is that Klopp has bought into the media hype that he can turn average players into world class. And that would make the owners grin.
And it is true that he can get the players to lift sometimes, but next match they revert to being less than average.
Maybe he convinced himself that the playing standard could be improved with his mentoring and hugs and rollicking wind ups of the crowd at Anfield?
That's it. Mystery solved.
I am tired of all of this.
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Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson?
He is fit and he had a few nice games for us this season.Can't you see how much trouble he made to Sevilla? If we were so impatient and wrote off a player so easily, Carra would be gone to other teams in his early career.
Moreno is decent going forward but he has absolutely no idea defensively. The primary job of a left back is to be able to defend, if he can attack as well that's a bonus. As for saying we are writing off a player too easily, this is his 4th season with us. Last season Klopp decided he wasn't good enough and he barely featured, now he's first choice, feel free to explain that one. As for comparing Moreno to Carragher, well, enough said.
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My theory is that Klopp has bought into the media hype that he can turn average players into world class. And that would make the owners grin.
And it is true that he can get the players to lift sometimes, but next match they revert to being less than average.
Maybe he convinced himself that the playing standard could be improved with his mentoring and hugs and rollicking wind ups of the crowd at Anfield?
That's it. Mystery solved.
I am tired of all of this. A lot of players developed and enjoyed their best football under Klopp. I just named some in Liverpool for your easy reference(in case you are not familiar with Bundesliga) Mane, Coutinho, Lallana, Can, Firminho, Matip
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Why play Moreno instead of Milner or Robertson?
He is fit and he had a few nice games for us this season.Can't you see how much trouble he made to Sevilla? If we were so impatient and wrote off a player so easily, Carra would be gone to other teams in his early career.
Moreno is decent going forward but he has absolutely no idea defensively. The primary job of a left back is to be able to defend, if he can attack as well that's a bonus. As for saying we are writing off a player too easily, this is his 4th season with us. Last season Klopp decided he wasn't good enough and he barely featured, now he's first choice, feel free to explain that one. As for comparing Moreno to Carragher, well, enough said. Alberto actually improved in defending. Yes, he might still have some nasty challenges this season, however, he is no more a defensive liability. Look back to those games in this season, any goals we conceded that is directly related to him? I don't think so. Milner is still here and with the addition of Robertson, if Alberto performed badly, he will be benched. However, this season he did quite good so far. Providing an extra force in attack (contributed to a few goals already) and defence is quite decent. I think it is unfair to judge him and write him off at the moment. P.S. For Carra, he was not that good in his first few years of career. He made some errors and crazy own goals in early years. I remember a lot of fans said he had no future in the club and asked to ship him out. (same as Lucas)
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