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Fragile ego ? The only ego I'd have is I get a little bit about being correct in my assumptions , apart from that you've taken things way out of context or are unaware.
My anger or as you call it "fragile ego" comes from fans moaning about my continues repetitive threads ,
I'm trying to keep the fire burning and try to evolve it , the last thing if expect is my own supporters trying to put it out, disagree ? Fair enough , but to actually try and Detroit the flame is something I'd only expect from FSG on twitter Did someone just say Detroit? The home of Motown 
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Fragile ego ? The only ego I'd have is I get a little bit about being correct in my assumptions , apart from that you've taken things way out of context or are unaware.
My anger or as you call it "fragile ego" comes from fans moaning about my continues repetitive threads ,
I'm trying to keep the fire burning and try to evolve it , the last thing if expect is my own supporters trying to put it out, disagree ? Fair enough , but to actually try and Detroit the flame is something I'd only expect from FSG on twitter I am no fan of FSG and I completely understand your frustrations with them. We all want the best for the club. I have absolutely no problem with what you post, sure I don't know you and this is a public forum. However endlessly rehashing the same topic gets tiresome in my opinion. I take nothing personally on here and I would suggest you try doing the same. Mate thanks for the advice but if what I'm saying is tiresome then I don't know what to say, just people are tired of my posts how am I the problem??? Are FSG forcing you to post as well?
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Fragile ego ? The only ego I'd have is I get a little bit about being correct in my assumptions , apart from that you've taken things way out of context or are unaware.
My anger or as you call it "fragile ego" comes from fans moaning about my continues repetitive threads ,
I'm trying to keep the fire burning and try to evolve it , the last thing if expect is my own supporters trying to put it out, disagree ? Fair enough , but to actually try and Detroit the flame is something I'd only expect from FSG on twitter I am no fan of FSG and I completely understand your frustrations with them. We all want the best for the club. I have absolutely no problem with what you post, sure I don't know you and this is a public forum. However endlessly rehashing the same topic gets tiresome in my opinion. I take nothing personally on here and I would suggest you try doing the same. Mate thanks for the advice but if what I'm saying is tiresome then I don't know what to say, just people are tired of my posts how am I the problem??? It's only my opinion. It's not the posts, it might be the several different threads about the same subject. But by all means we should continue to expose FSG for what they are.
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As fans the best scenario for us all would be for Klopp to expose FSG for who they truly are.
Once all fans are on the same page about the Owners, the quicker their tenure expires. This rinse and repeat BS every year is detrimental to our standing in World Football.
Klopp like any other Manager wouldn't survive a spat with these Owners but it's to the point now that no matter who is our Manager they'll be shackled before they've even begun! do you think if fans rebelled and protested against the owners for running a tight ship and living within our means then potential new owners would want to buy and invest in a club with such a volatile fanbase, where every decision they make if not approved and accepted by fans they would face that sort of treatment each way they turned? Actually you've made some good points but this is shyte , sorry but it is , You'd rather a yes-man fanbase that let's FSG use as like the food franchise they turned us into??? get off it!!! Are you are passively accusing LFC fans of not knowing about about football , scousers especially would be very offended by that comment , IF SCOUSERS PROTEST THEIRS GOOD REASON FOR IT. And any footballing loving investor would understand and want such a passionate fanbase for success, You'd rather we stay firmly out of grasp of success??? Sorry I'm becoming a yo-yo but I only just heard of you and I seriously don't like you
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As fans the best scenario for us all would be for Klopp to expose FSG for who they truly are.
Once all fans are on the same page about the Owners, the quicker their tenure expires. This rinse and repeat BS every year is detrimental to our standing in World Football.
Klopp like any other Manager wouldn't survive a spat with these Owners but it's to the point now that no matter who is our Manager they'll be shackled before they've even begun! do you think if fans rebelled and protested against the owners for running a tight ship and living within our means then potential new owners would want to buy and invest in a club with such a volatile fanbase, where every decision they make if not approved and accepted by fans they would face that sort of treatment each way they turned? Actually you've made some good points but this is shyte , sorry but it is , You'd rather a yes-man fanbase that let's FSG use as like the food franchise they turned us into??? get off it!!! Are you are passively accusing LFC fans of not knowing about about football , scousers especially would be very offended by that comment , IF SCOUSERS PROTEST THEIRS GOOD REASON FOR IT. And any footballing loving investor would understand and want such a passionate fanbase for success, You'd rather we stay firmly out of grasp of success??? Sorry I'm becoming a yo-yo but I only just heard of you and I seriously don't like you Just an FYI he's been banned 10+ times on here for being a wum
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To be fair even I get sick of it too, but I feel as if this fire must continue burning , the easy thing is to accept our fate that FSG have carved for us to conveniently follow , this is a tide hard to turn and requires being consistent to create momentum even if it means hating your own voice in the process,
That's why I appreciate FenwayWeComeNotToPay, that poor guy takes abuse which is a disgrace he works so hard to put his views out their where we are comfortable typing behind a username- he should be cheered on at best, or left alone , but , any fan who abuses him should be ashamed, they are as toxic as FSG, if not worse,
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As fans the best scenario for us all would be for Klopp to expose FSG for who they truly are.
Once all fans are on the same page about the Owners, the quicker their tenure expires. This rinse and repeat BS every year is detrimental to our standing in World Football.
Klopp like any other Manager wouldn't survive a spat with these Owners but it's to the point now that no matter who is our Manager they'll be shackled before they've even begun! do you think if fans rebelled and protested against the owners for running a tight ship and living within our means then potential new owners would want to buy and invest in a club with such a volatile fanbase, where every decision they make if not approved and accepted by fans they would face that sort of treatment each way they turned? Actually you've made some good points but this is shyte , sorry but it is , You'd rather a yes-man fanbase that let's FSG use as like the food franchise they turned us into??? get off it!!! Are you are passively accusing LFC fans of not knowing about about football , scousers especially would be very offended by that comment , IF SCOUSERS PROTEST THEIRS GOOD REASON FOR IT. And any footballing loving investor would understand and want such a passionate fanbase for success, You'd rather we stay firmly out of grasp of success??? Sorry I'm becoming a yo-yo but I only just heard of you and I seriously don't like you Just an FYI he's been banned 10+ times on here for being a wum Ok thanks mate , I got that impression from a couple of posts , but thought I'd give him the Benifit of the doubt - that quickly faded
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In an attacking sense, and the way we play football. I think Klopp has been one of the best we've had taking into account the squad we've had. When we are on form we are the best team in the league to watch imo.
Also man management he's perfect, and he's improved a lot of players no end.
That's the good points. Where he needs to improve:
1. Too stubborn has too much faith in some players who have had years to prove themselves.
2. He likes a small squad, sorry but this isn't bundesliga.
3. Defensively we are all over the place.
To be honest those weaknesses could and can easily be rectified.
Why is he so against buying players? Is it him? Is it FSG is it scouts/Edwards?
The answer is probably all 3.
If he reintroduces Coutinho why not Sakho, Surely Coutinho has done much worse than Sakho did? Sakho whilst not perfect is a £30m asset doing nothing who will probably go on loan 31st August.
I like the players he targets, but not to have alternatives to these players when the club has proved over the years they are a bit [oops] at the transfer game is suicidal.
For me the structure needs changing. Very well said , but I think klopps reluctance to move on to alternatives may be a short term pain long term gain , Using BR as an example he gave insight into the transfer comitee after sacking , he force essentially forced to sign from a list of players he didn't want as a striker, eventually getting balotelli , I think Klopp is in the exact situation only he's making a stand to the heirachy. it's not the point anymore that their are alternatives to Kieta and VvD . To him a man of a strong principles about success fundamentals , to abandon his coaching methods and toe-the-line, in his views he may aswell be abandoning any chance of success for LFC under him. Klopp has never had to deal with parked busses in bundesliga, hence his tactics are countered in EPL, so yeah he isn't the perfect manager , but I still think if given the tools he can win the EPL for LFC
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Just don't see how we have improved since Rodgers last few seasons myself, we do attack well but we are not as good attacking wise as the year we finished second, the team is probably worse and the defence has remained the same. I think if you took away Klopps bouncing up and down on the line and comical post match interviews the fans would be unanimous in saying we have stood still. Some people judge managers on there transfers and if that's the case Klopp will of failed miserably I think his poor defensive record of no improvement will eventually cost him his job... My word you are something else , You've taken the 13/14 completely out of context when we had the best player in the world in our team , and a significantly weaker epl season at the time plus no European football ... What your forgetting is how Klopp changed our fortunes with the squad BR had. It wasn't a new manager syndrome , oh my you seriously are a Wind Up Merchant aren't you ?
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Just don't see how we have improved since Rodgers last few seasons myself, we do attack well but we are not as good attacking wise as the year we finished second, the team is probably worse and the defence has remained the same. I think if you took away Klopps bouncing up and down on the line and comical post match interviews the fans would be unanimous in saying we have stood still. Some people judge managers on there transfers and if that's the case Klopp will of failed miserably I think his poor defensive record of no improvement will eventually cost him his job... My word you are something else , You've taken the 13/14 completely out of context when we had the best player in the world in our team , and a significantly weaker epl season at the time plus no European football ... What your forgetting is how Klopp changed our fortunes with the squad BR had. It wasn't a new manager syndrome , oh my you seriously are a Wind Up Merchant aren't you ? Is it me or is it Spango thats the problem then? 
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