KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum My theories on VvD, Klopp and FSG.

I hope we don't bid more than 50m for a defender, especially he is not considered best in the world as much as I know

If that's the case and someone at the club misled him which led to him losing his primary target, I expect we would have seen his resignation by now. Otherwise he's not the manager I thought he was. The notion that he thought it was legal is a little far fetched.

But all managers will do what he did anyway. It goes on for sure so even though he did something wrong strictly speaking, it's no worse for me than what any other manager would do. Same with the stories that came out too. It happens all the time.

So you're basically saying that you think Klopp is stupid as he was duped into thinking he had permission to speak to him?

If people at the club at deliberately misleading the manager as is being suggested then we have massive problems, much bigger than FSG's transfer approach.

Personally I cannot believe this at all.

thats my view on this too

No he doesn't deserve to take his share, his share is credit for convincing the player, his share is accredited , FSG feked it up ultimately , I've mentioned Klopp multiple times it's illegal , ye but I don't care because he would've not had the opportunity to convince him if not, he had to do it, I'm not sure about conspiracy of FSG purposely misleading him , but ultimately if all clubs do it and what Klopp did is normal , than that leaves the outlier in LFC's management which stinks of this type of transfer mishaps for a far longer time to properly make a more accurate assumption that FSG's transfer strategy that has been passed down to the suits are not good enough , so blame isn't on Klopp, just credit for convincing the player illegal or otherwise, everyone was shocked with the statement because it was completely unnecessary and stunk of naive non-footballing FSG stunt.

This blame is on FSG, if you want to get all philosophical then yes technically it's the whole clubs mistake but it's really FSG's fault for their strategy they do time and time again regardless of club or target significance

Okay my FSG court statement was a sly dig, I apologise for that.

This isn't a siege on FSG for everything , this is in regard to their transfer strategy and in that context I'm letting loose because they are solely to blame, Brendan Rodgers, Comoli came out with their opinions and we are all too familiar with the infamous transfer commitee pre-Klopp, theirs no smoke without fire, this is a full onslaught on FSG in regards to this transfer strategy, if it's not Ian Ayre, it's this new EA hotshot, coming out with comments about doing a Leicester, they are FSG's puppets whomever they hire who isn't football related. it's written all the wall and they deserve all the stick for VvD ,

FSG have done good in other areas which I'm happy with (Keeping Anfield, signing Klopp , showing willingness to listen to fans with walk out) I'm not upset about these situations but they deserve full blame for VvD,

Every has their own opinions on FSG, we all want success for LFC, my scepticism comes from not knowing if FSG want sucess for liverpool "IF" it doesn't align with their moneyball strategy despite Klopp earning that transfer kitty. Klopp can spend 100$ million on VvD if he wants to spend it that way! It's his choice to use the money how he wants and shouldn't have to deal with his own commitee deterring him based on computer analyses of player worth, or the possibility of the conspiracy of the director of football purposely sabotaging the deal to deter Klopp from spending that much

He talked to a player illegally. He takes some blame along with everyone else involved.

There is a bigger picture that goes beyond Klopp making a mistake on tapping up, it's FSG's strategy which doesn't seem to change after 7 years , even with a manager like Klopp, that's the worry and that's why VvD is so significant now and why FSG have a chance to show some form of intent with Klopp's targets beyond petty offers.

Klopp has faults too, it's not like he's perfect like he seemed tactically naive and inflexible during January, February , even now our attack without Sturridge or mane is blunt against deep defenses , that's not FSG's fault!

But VvD isn't klopp's fault and always will be FSG's fault

When Southampton said enough is enough, they we're talking about the press leaks by the "Suits", it was this press chatter that the player had chosen LFC, and thus cutting out the bidding war, that angered them and caused them to report us to the FA. The PR part of LFCs work is firmly under FSG control, so they are the ones that fu*k'd up. Not Klopp. Therefore the blame for this transfer disaster is firmly on FSG. They're incompetent innocents abroad who couldn't close a deal if it was their front door.