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The problem with VvD wasn't ever tapping up, it was the negotiations that followed from LFC, so the fault is with FSG transfer committee who employ these non-footballing people and have been briefed to low-ball

We must look beyond the statement and think about Southamptons motives for reporting us, then everything will make more sense.


the club is run as one entity and no matter what happened Klopp will take some blame personally because that's the way he is, but it is well known that Klopp wasn't in the conversation when the statement was put out, so aspects of the club are run separately , it's convienient to take the heat off FSG by saying it's everyone's fault, but your kidding yourself if you think what we did with the statement is normal, this has FSG written all over it, Klopp just assumed his club was run by competence, that assumption maybe where his "fault" is,

Klopp Cannot be blamed for tapping up the player because if he wouldn't do it , he would suffer because no doubt Chelsea and City did tapping up too! People are thinking blame has to do with actual tapping up, no no no no no no!!! the reason Chelsea and city didn't get pulled up for it
(a) we have idiots leaking things
(b) FSG tried to use the "VvD chose us " as a bargaining tool to moneyball them
(c) smSouthampton want to get good money from VvD and know city& Chelsea pay more

Our reputation and actions gave Southampton all the fuel to report us.
Southampton's motive to report us has nothing to do with tapping up, it's to do with money$$$$$$$$

So in this context ultimately the fault of the VvD situation is solely on FSG!!!!! because the problem came with negotiations NOT with the actual tapping up,

whether FSG purposely leaked that info to use it as a bargaining tool I don't know , but we know FSG and they guaranteed low-balled, offering Sakho and offering less , the same way we saw with Salah , dragging it on and Southampton lost patience . but I guarantee if it leaked he chose man city , Southampton wouldn't report them cos man city will pay the asking price !!!

People , you are getting confused what we are blaming FSG for , we blame FSG's transfer commitee for pissing off Southampton, Klopp only did what the others coaches do , it's FSG's fault

We sesperate the owners from the coach because it's obvious their agendas are different, when push comes to shove we come together but it's naive to just lump the blame on LFC as a whole when this happens constantly regardless of managers, the reality is coaches and owners don't always agree in things, just like Rafa and Gillet & Hicks.

Sorry to burst the bubble but Klopp is definitely re-evaluating his assumptions on the transfer committee.

Don't forget the silly comments of our new EAgaming- director of football , already saying we can do a Leicester city , Klopp has a battle to changes perceptions internally so that in my eyes separates the club and owners.

Agreed LFCDU, but for some reason it seems to suit a couple of posters here to always try and lessen the blame on FSG when they fu*k up.

Again, who's trying to lessen the blame on anyone? Care to share any quotes?

People are just pointing out that Klopp will have to take some blame here for reportedly meeting a player that he didn't have permission too after some suggested he was blameless.

What people are doing, which doesn't suit your anti FSG stance, is pointing out that the club as a whole are to blame. I know, I know, the club is FSG and all that ball hang before you say it.

Anyway, nothing we did is any worse than what goes on else where. This is more about Southampton spitting their dummy as they weren't going to get their bidding war that they wanted so reported us. Just the week before he wanted to join City FFS!

I second that

I am sorry wilks.On this one it has just been yo trying to shift the blame and do a Klopp Vs FSG.. Again Klopp doesn't run the whole club.

Merely pointing out that he had his part to play. He met a player he didn't have permission to so has done wrong. If you're telling me he was duped into thinking he had permission then maybe he's not all he's cracked up to be or he needs to resign as he's lost his primary target because the owners mis-led him.

I've consistently said that the whole club is to blame not just FSG or Klopp or G's favourite, the tea lady.

I am not even sure FSG are to blame as they are not running the club, they are the shareholders. The CEO and/or the team managing the transfer dept are the culprits. This is how any business works.

Please accept my sincerest apologies for having the audacity to have my own opinion which differs from yours.

Wilks the only agenda anti-FSG fans have is to see what's best for the club to reach the top, FSG have made good choices like keeping Anfield and signing Klopp, (and some stinkers like sacking dalglish along with many other internal mishaps) but it's not like they have to leave the club, they may have plenty good to give us and when they do part ways hopefully LFC club will be in a better place for it, financially AND trophies , I actually liked FSG at first and especially appreciated that we kept Anfield and got Klopp, but they now with Klopp they have their coach and no excuses , we have top four, EPL gave us a huge kitty, we have to walk the walk, maybe under Rodgers they could have a reason to low-ball , but this season it's time for them to change , their transfer committee better liven and smarten up if they want to get klopp's targets because Southampton will use anything dodgy against us if not, the way the salah deal panned out ( although good we signed him) hopefully isn't the strategy we plan to use with VvD. atm considering VvD is our main target , I will only be FSG out if VvD deal doesn't happen , it's that black or white with me because the player is that significant in klopp's plans and I cannot forgive such an incompetent stuff up if the transfer commitee can't get the VvD deal done, after all we shouldn't be blaming Klopp for "tapping up" but thankful because he wants to join us!!!!!! that's why the signing is so vital and why FSG must prove to the fans they have intent for success beyond what laptop deems as good business.

In all fairness I don't think sacking Klopp is a constructive move even if your scenario is true, that leads us nowehere, it's funny how anti-FSG seems not constructive but it's actually blaming Klopp that hold absolutely no constructive value to LFC other than lessening the heat on FSG,

FYI I have a feeling Klopp will shake up the committee enough to get VvD he's a coach that has the people power who isn't afraid to challenge FSG's thinking ,

So I'll be all for FSG if they give Klopp more power similar to Wenger
But as it stands their structures in place are increasingly worrying so I've reserved final judgment until VvD deal.

VvD deal is a symbolic also , to show an openness to a more bullish strategy, signs of learning from mistakes of missing out on players, Klopp won't accept 2nd choice targets as we saw in last January , we have the cash to slend, klopp's job is done ,it's up to the committee to get VvD now, and refrain from jeopardising it.

Everyone has different opinions , and different tipping points with owners, but one thing is for sure this transfer season will change options of FSG for "everyone" whether positive of negative , we'll see.