KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum My theories on VvD, Klopp and FSG.

At 70m he would be the most expensive defender ever, I don't think there are no as good alternatives at around 50m, which is still high for a defender.

To all the people who say its klopp's fault with meeting VvD, Let's just say it's Klopp fault , whats the point of it??? what do you want to achieve by making that known?

I want to also rectify that their seems to be two types of anti-FSG one who want them out now! And others who want them to change fast otherwise otherwise we lose patience and turn into the first type.

Overall we all love LFC, but when it comes to this blaming of FSG, their is a reason we say it , not to say "I told you so" it's about wanting the club to move in the correct direction, whether it be the walk out or anythin else, we gotta challenge FSG so they know we are onto their shifty ways,

We all know Klopp isn't perfect, of course it's possible he was at fault , but why blame him where that path leads to nowhere? It's like blaming Gerrard for slipping, it's not fair he tried his best for LFC, with intentions of winning.
If anything blaming Klopp seems to do nothing but try and derail peoples attempts to make the club move forward (with or without FSG) as theirs no benifit other than maybe you'd rather some theoretical perfect coach in charge who never takes risks, otherwise just seems moot point that Klopp made mistakes with VvD.mistakes isn't even the issue, it's the consistent mistakes that FSG make they don't learn from or don't seem interested in speaking to experienced advisors in English football before the do their low balling, this is some cocky display from FSG that they fail to even want to change their transfer policy , FSG don't see it as a mistake , they see it as a saving money.

And the whole money issue too, you'd rather we spend 30 million on an alternative that isn't good enough then sell him two years later and go back to square one? Also I don't think people realise this opportunity , how often does a player choose LFC over city or Chelsea in the last five years ? VvD chose us , how often does a world class player that we want choose us!? And we still want to treat him like we can find a replacement ? Nah the replacement won't be as good, he'll be cheaper , we'll waste money cos he's not as good and wonder what could have been as he is forced to join city /Chelsea , and we can complain that we can't challenge for players that why we don't win things

My theory is people rather the comfort of FSG's lame "we can't compete" excuses for Not having sucess, because it's easier to have an excuse than taking a risk for sucess . we have more than enough money to compete and an opportunity to get VvD and take a step towards competing and removing the underdog status we have, sooner or later we all must start having the courage to want the club to move move forward, because sucess isn't going to just land at LFC's doorstep , we gotta earn it, fight for it. No use saying VvD is overpriced other than you'd rather we don't get a world class player and have an excuses for failing to compete? All this so you can say we saved extra 30million? Saved it for what!? If EPL gives trophies to teams that save money than maybe it would count but they don't, it's either save money or get the best first choice and take steps to compete as a club and allow those feelings of believing we can win something significant manifest again within us, for some it may be a new perception but get used to it because this is our chance.

I understand the pain of missing out in 08/09 and 13/14 but we can't let that bring us down , we are getting too comfortable with FSG's low balling low risk strategy , they have successfully managed our fans expectations and you don't even know it.

No one is blaming Klopp. But people are saying this is an FSG fukk up when it was the fault of everyone included and that includes Klopp.

Pure speculation, why would the owners or a member of staff intentionally mislead our manager? Tapping up is serious and could easily result in a transfer ban, there is no up side to anyone in the club suggesting this. The pursuit of Van Dijk has just been an all round disaster, and everyone involved is too blame.

But in this moment Klopp is FSG and a very important part of their operation too, what purpose does it serve to separate any one part of the operation from the other and that's especially true when it comes to the committee of which Klopp is also a very important part. It's ridiculous. The only reasonable purpose separating the various individual parts can have is to try and somehow lessen the responsibility of the FSG operation as a whole.

Because he probably didn't think he'd get caught. You are coming out with conspiracy theories which make no sense, everyone associated with LFC has screwed up on the Van Dijk transfer. As I've said previously why on earth would the owners intentionally mislead the manager? If they did that then surely Klopp would consider his position, most likely resigning.

Isn't the argument that Klopp was on some kind of a crazy man solo run, also a conspiracy theory? Not to mention that it's gratuitously demeaning of his intelligence and experience. Why are some people so keen on shifting the blame for this incompetent humiliation of the club away from FSG where it belongs, and on to the shoulders of Klopp?

Feel free to re-read my posts on this subject which all quite clearly state everyone at LFC is responsible. I'm not trying to blame it all on Klopp, however if as reported he has met with and contacted the player without permission then he definitely deserves some blame.

Before anyone else tries to put words in my mouth as well, I will clarify that I am not defending the owners, the way the club is run is frustrating to say the least but I'm not someone who will blame them for absolutely everything.

Where is anyone putting the blame solely on Klopp? People are just saying that as part of the club and for the part he played, he has to take a share of any blame. Unfortunately for you this is how it is and isn't just to be laid at the feet of FSG.