KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum My theories on VvD, Klopp and FSG.

It's too bloody muggy to be going around in circles.

Southampton also sacked their manager a few days ago, they probably wanted to keep VvD in place while they try and recruit a new manager, they wouldn't want to be selling their best players while trying to attract/bring in someone like Tuchel, as it sends out all the wrong signs.

I still think there is a chance the VvD deal will go through, allot depends on VvD attitude now and whether he wants to stay at Southampton, which will depend partly on who the manager is and what the plans are.

I laugh when people blame Klopp because my frustrations are exhausted


FSG brought the VvD situation on themselves, overall throughout their reign all fingers point to their infamous transfer committee low-balling , regardless of manager, only this time , they are using Klopp as a pull to save money , I'm sick of hearing Klopp is at fault because it's besides the point, unless the player grew up an LFC fan, Klopp is the only reason we have competed with man city and Chelsea for his signature, to accuse him of ruining the transfer talks is ludicrous, unfortunately many fans are focusing on short term issues of "who's to blame"

FSG overall are intending to make profit, where Klopp is interested in winning trophies , Klopp is a fan of the club like us, if we are going to sit here and complain and compare with Mancs spending on lindelof then we are psychologically hindered by Mancs, self-defeatist mentality because we aren't as successful we shouldn't spend more than them!!!???
why does it matter and why should it influence us what Mancs are spending, so what because Mancs don't do it we don't?

Many people are pigeonholing LFC in a defeatist mentality that doesn't actually look at setting an example and leading the way for other clubs to follow.

People also forget that we are a good team, sometimes we struggle with low-block defences and look like we are void of any creativity , but overall we are a class team when the game is open , from that technical standpoint , VvD has all the attributes to dominate the ball high up the pitch along with salah providing more pace and skill upfront to unlock defences , forget other positions those two will provide big solutions and big upgrades on klavan and Origi, we have fallen so far the pecking order of success we are no longer a club in a position to challenge for the title after fixing the squad in one transfer window, THIS mentality means if we try to do that the quality of players must drop, so in order for is to get some sort of class squad it may take 2-3 transfer windows buying world class 1or two per window but eventually it's a class team

LFC command lots of fear from opponents especially at Anfield same way Barcelona, Real Madrid do, so it requires class to command a game of that nature, class that cannot be compromised,

We all want LFC to be successful and for that to happen "we" must stand up to FSG and not let them take this club for a ride,

If we didn't do the walk out nothing would've changed, think about how many situations they take advantage of that we haven't protested for?
"We" as in the fans , and Klopp ( in the transfer committee) must stand up to FSG and demand the direction the club should go in, I think LFC should be run like Barcelona where votes dictate who's in charge, but it's not , so we must realise klopp's genuine intentions for the club and stop blaming him for petty things where his intend is to "succeed" where FSG intent is to "make money"
We got over 150$ million for EPL this season so spending that still means we have a net spend of 0$ until it exceeds that, it's not coming out of FSG
VvD and salah won't reach that amount even if it's 90million + 40 million respectively .

Klopp wants What we wants wouldn't we rather not say "what if" if we don't get him, let's see give Klopp what he wants and see where it takes us!!! It's not klopp's fault that these prices are heaps , it's EPL's fault because the TVrights money is disclosed and other clubs set the market how they want , so we either take the opportunity and adapt or sit in our comfort-zone of blaming FSG for our failings or our lack of financial power, but let's take that step , let's try and be successful that starts with a good mentality also in the squad , the fans, the manager , it will pump up the players seeing VvD in the squad knowing he chose us, gives us belief , similar to that our Suarez 13/14 so maybe Coutinho, mane, VvD, salah, Klopp, us as fans can lead the team to believe we can compete next season ,

If we get 2nd grade replacements it will deflate the team similar to post-Suarez
Deflate the club before a ball even touched , use Suarez as an example , not matter how much FSG's eyes lit up from Suarez money , despite our "reinforcements" it affected the club hugely, Suarez was priceless for us and he win barca the treble, if that doesn't show the value is quality I don't know
What does!!!

If fans can realise this then they can look beyond petty blaming of the manager and understand that FSG blaming is for the long term future of the club,

The transfer stuff up with VvD was a mixture of errors but it is and always will be the fault of the owners who are notorious for bullying clubs for lowering prices, they used Klopp as a stronger bargaining tool to bully clubs even more ,

People blaming Klopp are using this incident in isolation, people blaming FSG are using years of obvious trends in the transfer market , it's completely different and cannot be compared , FSG blaming isn't petty it's for the long term stability of LFC future , we aren't saying they are the worst , but they aren't the best , they are mid table mentality , Klopp and players must find ways to push the club beyond this. It starts with VvD and salah

NOT FSG's low balling replacements!!!!!!

If LFC fans want to believe every year is our year it begins by building on a good squad not wholesale changes , sooner of later then our year will come then, instead of it being this unrealistic belief season after season, more like a dream than a reality , mentality goes a long way

The older generations of LFC fans have that mentality with LFC , they know a lot and their opinion should be held in high regard, it says a lot when a club like FSG sacked King Kenny

You tell me what idiots do that!

They stripped our success away to build their low ball model

it isn't doom and gloom LFC Can be successful with FSG, but Klopp and fans must be on a winning mentality , we must push for players the way we pushed LFC to beat Dortmund 5-4 that is LFC's soul to push for success so let's do it and stop succumbing to FSG's dire fate they intend us to follow

We may win a trophy if we're lucky... somewhere along the line of this FSG status quo of "it'll do"! A League Cup, maybe an FA Cup but nothing anymore substantial like a 1st Premier League Title or a Champions League.

FSG are liquidators...only they are the collectors & creditors!
We are being run as though we are being wound down...for 7 long excruciating years!

If we are going to push FSG, I'd rather it be out the door for good, they are toxic and I could never trust them again.

So if the club told Klopp to meet a player we quite clearly haven't agreed a transfer fee, would he not know it was illegal? He's a professional football manager and should not the rules. I'd be more worried if Klopp didn't know the rules which appears to what you are suggesting?

What Chris said. But as I've said before, everything we did happens elsewhere so this is more about Southampton spitting their dummy than anything.

And everyone involved takes any blame here and like it or not that they nvolves Klopp not just FSG.

I still think we'll get him. But if not then you hav to have alternatives lined up as I'm sure we will have especially with Chelsea and City sniffing around him. There are plenty of top quality defenders out there so we move on to one of those. Not necessarily a bad thing as long as they're of a comparable standard and not Mario for Suarez!

Thing is though Wilki,in VvD you're also getting a leader and organiser to go along with his ability to defend which is not so easy to find in the cheaper alternatives.

I'm making out that he's the best thing since sliced Hansen but there's still a risk that he could be one of those flash in the van players that look good elsewhere..he who dares.

I'm not suggesting going cheaper although most alternatives will be as Southampton want rediculous money after spotty their dummy. There are also others that are leaders too.