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I don't think anyone has said it's impossible just like no one has said we don't need to strengthen as has been leveled by some.
But Klopp doesn't feel there is anyone out there for us. This is a manager we all wanted and we all claim to love. A manager who is closer to the market than any of us ever will be so why can't we trust his judgement?
It's easy to blame FSG as most will but if we don't buy anyone, it's all on Klopp for me.
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And what if we're not out of CL contention? Even a loss to Chelsea doesn't mean it's over. And signing players wouldn't have guaranteed anything.
No, signing players doesn't guarantee anything, it's a risk, and the better your squad the better are your chances. Shouldn't we buy anybody ever then as there are no guarantees? Looks like you live in hope which is ok. I must say I saw our Jan performance coming and even said we need to sign an attacking player like our 4 attacking players early Jan. Now I feel we won't qualify for CL, hopefully I'm wrong. Why do I live in hope? Because I don't agree with your Vulcan like 'logic'? I watched our first half of the season and know what this team of players can do. They won't have lost that overnight will they? Unlike you, I trust our manager and trust in what he's doing. If he doesn't see value in the January market then that's good enough for me. It seems you seem to be slowly turning into G but without the list of names to go with the out crying and not spending £100m every window. 100m? What the fk are you talking about, when did I say that? Our net spent was -16m in summer, if you add our usual 25m, he must have about 40m to spend, the maths is not too difficult, anobody can add that up. If he cannot reinforce with that, then he will have to take all the blame if we don't qualify for CL.
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Most of us trust Klopp and think he's a world class manager. But FSG have to trust Klopp and back him too. I'm fairly certain Klopp has had a few targets that FSG hasn't made a real effort to go out and get... and I think Klopp is such a game and willing personality that he's making a go of the current situation. He did wonders on a shoestring at Dortmund... and motivated an average squad to overachievements in the first half of the season. But he needs a bit of bolstering... it's obvious to everyone.
Why you keep asking for a list of players is beyond me. January is a tougher market but players can be had and deals can get done. There is no evidence that all the good players are locked up in this window - it makes for a nice soundbite excuse but it's just not true. Like who? Certainly not in January when he's said all along that we probably wouldn't buy anyone. And if you seriously think he's world class and would be fukked around by the owners and would make the best of it then you're a tad wrong there. He could leave and have his pick of clubs so why on earth would he put up with that? He's nothing more than a German Rodgers if that's the case. I ask for player names as there seems to be a lot of 'there must be someone out there' going about but no names coming forward. Surely if all those saying that know that and obviously more than Klopp, they might give us a name or two or drop Klopp a line and let him know do you not think? can I ask what you think makes Klopp world class as you say, does two German Leagues and a final appearance in the Champions League make you world class, really would like to know and if Klopp is world class with two German Leagues surely Raneiri is with one English Premier League then or Pellegrini and Mancini too. Me or KP as it was KP who said it? And if you think I'm stupid enough to get into that with you and ruin this thread then think again.
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And what if we're not out of CL contention? Even a loss to Chelsea doesn't mean it's over. And signing players wouldn't have guaranteed anything.
No, signing players doesn't guarantee anything, it's a risk, and the better your squad the better are your chances. Shouldn't we buy anybody ever then as there are no guarantees? Looks like you live in hope which is ok. I must say I saw our Jan performance coming and even said we need to sign an attacking player like our 4 attacking players early Jan. Now I feel we won't qualify for CL, hopefully I'm wrong. Why do I live in hope? Because I don't agree with your Vulcan like 'logic'? I watched our first half of the season and know what this team of players can do. They won't have lost that overnight will they? Unlike you, I trust our manager and trust in what he's doing. If he doesn't see value in the January market then that's good enough for me. It seems you seem to be slowly turning into G but without the list of names to go with the out crying and not spending £100m every window. 100m? What the fk are you talking about, when did I say that? Our net spent was -16m in summer, if you add our usual 25m, he must have about 40m to spend, the maths is not too difficult, anobody can add that up. If he cannot reinforce with that, then he will have to take all the blame if we don't qualify for CL. Who could we buy with £40m in January?
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Why do people keep mentioning Net spent...there is no such thing when judging managers it's maybe only used by judging a business, managers are judged on players they sign and if they are value for money nothing else just like players get judged on if they are worth the money the clubs payed for them. It's a bit ridiculous for us as fans to talk about value for a business as we are only interested in what's running around the pitch and if they are worth the money we have spent watching them. Going on this Net spent method does that mean Andy Carroll only cost us minus 15 million quid because we already received 50 million for Torres, did Newcastle actually give us Carroll And 15 million pound for the deal then haha.
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Who could we buy with £40m in January?
We bought Coutinho for 12m and Suarez for 25m in Jan, it's the manager's and his scouts job to get players (this is what they are paid to do) and I could just put G's list here, which will mean nothing.
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Who could we buy with £40m in January?
We bought Coutinho for 12m and Suarez for 25m in Jan, it's the manager's and his scouts job to get players (this is what they are paid to do) and I could just put G's list here, which will mean nothing. But what about players that are available now? I'm just asking as you seem certain that our £40m this month could strengthen the squad so you must have someone in mind? If not, why not trust the manager knows what he's doing?
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Why do people keep mentioning Net spent...there is no such thing when judging managers it's maybe only used by judging a business, managers are judged on players they sign and if they are value for money nothing else just like players get judged on if they are worth the money the clubs payed for them. It's a bit ridiculous for us as fans to talk about value for a business as we are only interested in what's running around the pitch and if they are worth the money we have spent watching them. Going on this Net spent method does that mean Andy Carroll only cost us minus 15 million quid because we already received 50 million for Torres, did Newcastle actually give us Carroll And 15 million pound for the deal then haha. People bang on about NET spend as it's something they can use to beat the owners with. As we had a negative NET spend for the summer, the owners obviously didn't back the manager blah, blah. I agree that it should be more abut what is spent and on who rather than NET spend. Our NET was only so low as we got rid of a lot of dead wood that had been hanging around for too many years. I expect we'll get the same this summer too.
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Why do people keep mentioning Net spent...there is no such thing when judging managers it's maybe only used by judging a business, managers are judged on players they sign and if they are value for money nothing else just like players get judged on if they are worth the money the clubs payed for them. It's a bit ridiculous for us as fans to talk about value for a business as we are only interested in what's running around the pitch and if they are worth the money we have spent watching them. Going on this Net spent method does that mean Andy Carroll only cost us minus 15 million quid because we already received 50 million for Torres, did Newcastle actually give us Carroll And 15 million pound for the deal then haha. People bang on about NET spend as it's something they can use to beat the owners with. As we had a negative NET spend for the summer, the owners obviously didn't back the manager blah, blah. I agree that it should be more abut what is spent and on who rather than NET spend. Our NET was only so low as we got rid of a lot of dead wood that had been hanging around for too many years. I expect we'll get the same this summer too. think the point gets backed up when you look at players who cost a lot of money and flopped, they wouldn't get anywhere near the critism hey did if they never cost so much am thinking Carroll, Veron, Robinho or Torres at Chelsea there was nothing mentioned about Net spent from a fans point of view.
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Has the "false dawn" era ended? Not yet and not this season and I have had a gut-full of waiting to be honest.
But it looks like we will have to see what talent Klopp can round up in the summer of 2017.
If the money-ball recruitment policy continues then Klopp will not hang around and there will be no doubts that Liverpool will never ever be taken as serious contenders in this decade at least.
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