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So you're saying we need someone who is just defensively solid, that's more common, we could even sign Krychowiak. there are many good defensive midfielders out there who are purely good at that, and I know you slate lucas but he actually is good defensively - he's averaging 4 tackles per game in the PL one of the highest 0.9 higher than wanyama, even though I understand the need to replace him and get someone better. I know matic scored at the weekend, but believe it or not he is just a purely defensive midfielder too, but then he has fabregas, the creative force next to him, even though though it would benefit Can for both mids to have more defined roles, I still believe it would benefit the whole team if both players in our central mid pairing were creative.

No it wouldn't at all. It would be no benefit, we'll still have five creative players. Basquets is easily the best defensive player in the world, easily. He doesn't have amazing tackling stats. He controls the game, he'll position himself in the right place, and use his timing to guide attaching players where he wants them, like Makelele (on of the best DM in history). Lucas is terrible at controlling games, consistently giving away silly fouls. Wanyama isn't, he positions himself much better and reads the game much more efficiently. That's what we have been begging for.

That's not to say he can't score goals, but it is true defensive creativity that can control a game the way a good DM can. Go and watch Basquets, you get it. He's only 5 creative players in front of him, but they still do alright. Mind you they are some creative players. But we have some good ones too.

can't be that good southampton's defence seems pretty vulnerable to me 40 goals conceded this season same as man city, only 8 less than us bearing in mind what a poor season we've had. if we have a lot of creative players then why is are our strikers only averaging 2 shots per game, other than daniel up until a few weeks ago? sorry I believe a lot of our lack of creativity stems from the base of midfield, we have different visions of what and how things should be, I'm more interested in having a right sided DM who is creative like fabregas, or at least has some creativity (right sided DM's much less common) and you're more interested in having someone who pulls the strings and dictates without actually being a deep lying playmaker, despite not putting a new DM in your team you hope to see next season

pops are you seriously saying wanyama can play like busquets, just a bad version? they both do have good tackling stats btw, and they both do accrue a lot of fouls per game so I don't understand that point

Fab isn't a DM, he's a creative holding mid, and he's got a DM next to him in Matic, just like he had Basquets at Barcelona and Flamini and Gilberto at Arsenal. Why do you think our defence had been rubbish since Rafa left? Even when we had Suarez, it was awful. It's because of two players, Lucas and Skrtel. Both are the common denominators, notice that ever since they're out of the team, we've started doing better?

Now I'm not against Xhaka, he would be much better alongside Can than what we have now. But we definatly need an out and put DM.

Do you think that we would have scored more goals this season with Sturidge in the team the whole season? Maybe that's why we have scored many goals, all our strikers bar Benteke have been out. Get that sorted and things might change.

I'm not saying they're the same, no one's as good as Basquets, but Wanyama is great, and will be perfect next to Can, remember how well he did with Scheinerden?

Stats don't mean much unless you you take into account the where's and whys. Plus if you WATCH how different they are to Lucas, you'll get what I mean.

Could we not use Can as the holding midfielder? Did very well against Villarreal, and allowed Milner to get forward a lot. Maybe we should be looking at a creative box to box type to play alongside Can

fabregas defensive mid 27 apps this season, 7 assists 4 goals, with a chelsea team that have been struggling, was top for most assists last season ofc, his key passes have also fallen substancially, something I need both our mids to be making more of, or at least one of them, https://www.whoscored.com/Players/8040

he certainly makes enough tackles to be considered one, but his tackling rate has dramatically reduced over the past 2/3 months aswell. What's to say Can can't stay as our holding mid, and we sign a player like this?

Yes I understand the importance of these positions

ok you've partly convinced me, he needs to make more long balls though when we get better runners ahead of him, should lfc sign him

I fully get and agree with that, but it indicates what they are capable of and their qualities

Enough of your stats.