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I agree, but then we should have adjusted our formation and made the best use of the players at our disposal. That's what great managers do. they don't put square pegs into round holes and hope for the best, which is what we did and it cost not only the club a lot, but it also derailed the careers of some very promising young prospects. Is it not better to just buy the players the manager wants to play his preferred way in the first place? Round pegs and square holes can apply to the manager too. Yes, but not when the manager, for example, wants Joe Allen, and then utilizes him as a DM instead of as a CM or AM, thereby getting much less value for his money and making Allen look like a poor player, when in fact, he has shown himself to be more than decent. Did he want Joe Allen or was he a committee signing?  Rodgers was as any manager a major element of the transfer committee and it was up to him to convince the others about what he wanted. It's like on a board of directors, the power is with the one who is the most convincing and having the necessary authority. The committee cannot just bring a bunch of players and ask the manager to choose at the end of the season, it's more a process based on objectives both financial and results oriented.
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None of us know how it worked Vish but in general committees go with the majority and the manager in our committee was just one man who can be out voted regardless of his (perceived) authority.
I'm not trying to excuse him from our transfer dealings but as he wasn't the only one involved he can't take all the blame any more than the committee can take all the credit.
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Wasn't Allen a total of 15? I think that is the going rate for a decent squad player nowadays. To be honest, I don't really care what he cost, i care about whether he is a decent backup option and I feel he is.
Also, for every Allen, there is a Coutinho who cost some 8.5mil. The point is, they are all pretty good quality players.
As far as Lallana goes, I think he was mediocre unde BR but I feel he has been absolutely immense under Klopp, his pressing and attacking play has been very impressive and I feel he was a good buy at 25mil, especially taking the homegrown quota into consideration.
Of course, not everyone will agree, but that's just how I see it. This has got to be a joke? So you think Buying Allen for 15m was acceptable. I like his improvements under Klopp but Milner a free agent has come in and done more than Allen has. As for Lallana you feel it was a good buy for 25m which is extraordinary. The guy has no end product, doesn't score, doesn't assist, does nothing but fancy flicks and turns. Yeah he scored last week but that does not excuse his productivity in the previos games which was zero. 25m is an outrageous sum and our rivals purchased better players with that amount. Here take a look...  Tell me, how much did Willian cost? De Bruyne? Silva? DO I feel Lallana is showing he is worth 25 mil? Yes. As a matter of fact, look at how much he contributes in defence compared to the others. Imagine how much one of these would cost and then look at the respective contributions. Yes Lallana seems worth 25 in today's market, especially seeing as he is homegrown.   
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If Sterling and Navas are worth what they are with that kind of contribution, then Lallana is worth 25mil.
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None of us know how it worked Vish but in general committees go with the majority and the manager in our committee was just one man who can be out voted regardless of his (perceived) authority.
I'm not trying to excuse him from our transfer dealings but as he wasn't the only one involved he can't take all the blame any more than the committee can take all the credit. Generally I agree, although I am positive that in such a committee at the club the manager's vote has more weight than some other committee member vote.
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I said in fairness to ninja he is probably giving lallana plaudits for his first class work rate, defensive contribution/pressing rather than his end product, before I deleted the comment
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None of us know how it worked Vish but in general committees go with the majority and the manager in our committee was just one man who can be out voted regardless of his (perceived) authority.
I'm not trying to excuse him from our transfer dealings but as he wasn't the only one involved he can't take all the blame any more than the committee can take all the credit. Generally I agree, although I am positive that in such a committee at the club the manager's vote has more weight than some other committee member vote. I woukd add that I don't think that is about voting in a committee but more discussions and then agreement. Even if it is a voting process, poeple would explain their positions and reasons, so if the manager knows what he wants and is respected, he will always be able to convince others. It's not like a list just appears and then people just vote
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None of us know how it worked Vish but in general committees go with the majority and the manager in our committee was just one man who can be out voted regardless of his (perceived) authority.
I'm not trying to excuse him from our transfer dealings but as he wasn't the only one involved he can't take all the blame any more than the committee can take all the credit. Generally I agree, although I am positive that in such a committee at the club the manager's vote has more weight than some other committee member vote. I woukd add that I don't think that is about voting in a committee but more discussions and then agreement. Even if it is a voting process, poeple would explain their positions and reasons, so if the manager knows what he wants and is respected, he will always be able to convince others. It's not like a list just appears and then people just vote Again, we don't know how it works/worked. I agree the managers say should hold the most weight as he's the one who'll have to work with the players, which is why signing players like this is totally cr@p. I don't buy that Rodgers didn't have any authority or sway in this either. He's a premier league manager and whatever you think of him he'll be no shrinking violet. He can't be to have gotten where he has. For me the decision will have most likely been taken on what FSG set down with regards to age, stats, sell on etc. That's why in general we've bought young prospect types instead of ready made, class players. But this is just my feeling as like I say, none of us know for sure how it all worked.
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Yeah Wilks, we have bought young but for example, Benteke and Firmino and Lallana were hardly prospects, they were ready made and proven players already, as was Milner.
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wait lallana was a one season wonder up to that point, so is proven the right word? not denying they are all pretty ready made, but ready made for liverpool is another matter
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