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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support. all good points really enjoying the feedback, think the opinions are proving there is room for sensible discussion. My own thoughts is that we are definitely a club of diversions, on one side we have what's best for the club which is purely and simply making money and fleecing fans cups and glory are not really important to FSG as long as they are turning over a profit, then we have the fans who don't make a penny from the club and support it out of love they don't care how much money the club makes as long as we win trophies and get a bit of glory, two different sides. The next is the fans and no matter what people say there are diversions in that too, locals feel aggrieved because they are being priced out season by season and the reason for that in most fans eyes I'd Because foreign and fans from out of town turning up are driving up the prices again this is another valid pint, Foreign and outside fans complain they can't get tickets because locals have season tickets all good points and worth the discussion. I find it a bit similar to what the government are in with the image ant crisis the more that come in the more the drain on public services e.t.c it's a difficult one that I don't know what the answer is, worth exploring further tho I suppose, keep the feedback coming as it's interesting... What's best for the club is making money as you say but to carry that on you have to be successful and whether you like it or not, getting top 4 is key to us keeping that profit. I'm not FSG's biggest fan but I do think they're doing OK with the amount of money they're letting us spend. It doesn't appear to me that they're taking huge chunks of cash from the club like the Glaziers for instance but maybe we/I just don't know about it. The fans can't have it both ways. To keep us in with a shout of competing financially we have to be a global club and that will mean foreigners and OOT supporters coming to the ground. If we were just supported by locals, we'd lose a massive amount of money and therefore wouldn't be able to compete on any front.
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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support. all good points really enjoying the feedback, think the opinions are proving there is room for sensible discussion. My own thoughts is that we are definitely a club of diversions, on one side we have what's best for the club which is purely and simply making money and fleecing fans cups and glory are not really important to FSG as long as they are turning over a profit, then we have the fans who don't make a penny from the club and support it out of love they don't care how much money the club makes as long as we win trophies and get a bit of glory, two different sides. The next is the fans and no matter what people say there are diversions in that too, locals feel aggrieved because they are being priced out season by season and the reason for that in most fans eyes I'd Because foreign and fans from out of town turning up are driving up the prices again this is another valid pint, Foreign and outside fans complain they can't get tickets because locals have season tickets all good points and worth the discussion. I find it a bit similar to what the government are in with the image ant crisis the more that come in the more the drain on public services e.t.c it's a difficult one that I don't know what the answer is, worth exploring further tho I suppose, keep the feedback coming as it's interesting... What's best for the club is making money as you say but to carry that on you have to be successful and whether you like it or not, getting top 4 is key to us keeping that profit. I'm not FSG's biggest fan but I do think they're doing OK with the amount of money they're letting us spend. It doesn't appear to me that they're taking huge chunks of cash from the club like the Glaziers for instance but maybe we/I just don't know about it. The fans can't have it both ways. To keep us in with a shout of competing financially we have to be a global club and that will mean foreigners and OOT supporters coming to the ground. If we were just supported by locals, we'd lose a massive amount of money and therefore wouldn't be able to compete on any front. fantastic response just what am looking for, you put ure point over really well. I can see this way of thinking, can you see the point of say an average local fan who is struggling to pay for season tickets when all he sees is The club putting up prices because of the demand from out of town and foreign fans turning up, am sure if you asked any local fan would you rather support a mid table club that you can actually go and watch or have a club win leagues and champions leagues and you can never go and watch because it's too expensive I think you would find they would chose the first option. I just think people have to look at it from both sides instead of just one side. Still liked ure feedback tho...
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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support. all good points really enjoying the feedback, think the opinions are proving there is room for sensible discussion. My own thoughts is that we are definitely a club of diversions, on one side we have what's best for the club which is purely and simply making money and fleecing fans cups and glory are not really important to FSG as long as they are turning over a profit, then we have the fans who don't make a penny from the club and support it out of love they don't care how much money the club makes as long as we win trophies and get a bit of glory, two different sides. The next is the fans and no matter what people say there are diversions in that too, locals feel aggrieved because they are being priced out season by season and the reason for that in most fans eyes I'd Because foreign and fans from out of town turning up are driving up the prices again this is another valid pint, Foreign and outside fans complain they can't get tickets because locals have season tickets all good points and worth the discussion. I find it a bit similar to what the government are in with the image ant crisis the more that come in the more the drain on public services e.t.c it's a difficult one that I don't know what the answer is, worth exploring further tho I suppose, keep the feedback coming as it's interesting... What's best for the club is making money as you say but to carry that on you have to be successful and whether you like it or not, getting top 4 is key to us keeping that profit. I'm not FSG's biggest fan but I do think they're doing OK with the amount of money they're letting us spend. It doesn't appear to me that they're taking huge chunks of cash from the club like the Glaziers for instance but maybe we/I just don't know about it. The fans can't have it both ways. To keep us in with a shout of competing financially we have to be a global club and that will mean foreigners and OOT supporters coming to the ground. If we were just supported by locals, we'd lose a massive amount of money and therefore wouldn't be able to compete on any front. From what I have seen, FSG have not forked out money off the club, at least not yet. LFC is more global than Everton, for sure and this is not a new phenomenon, this was the case well before FSG. To me LFC being more global than Everton is a great thing, nothing wrong with that, global is better at it includes locals. Now if anybody wants LFC to be a poor man's team, then I don't know what to say.
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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support. all good points really enjoying the feedback, think the opinions are proving there is room for sensible discussion. My own thoughts is that we are definitely a club of diversions, on one side we have what's best for the club which is purely and simply making money and fleecing fans cups and glory are not really important to FSG as long as they are turning over a profit, then we have the fans who don't make a penny from the club and support it out of love they don't care how much money the club makes as long as we win trophies and get a bit of glory, two different sides. The next is the fans and no matter what people say there are diversions in that too, locals feel aggrieved because they are being priced out season by season and the reason for that in most fans eyes I'd Because foreign and fans from out of town turning up are driving up the prices again this is another valid pint, Foreign and outside fans complain they can't get tickets because locals have season tickets all good points and worth the discussion. I find it a bit similar to what the government are in with the image ant crisis the more that come in the more the drain on public services e.t.c it's a difficult one that I don't know what the answer is, worth exploring further tho I suppose, keep the feedback coming as it's interesting... What's best for the club is making money as you say but to carry that on you have to be successful and whether you like it or not, getting top 4 is key to us keeping that profit. I'm not FSG's biggest fan but I do think they're doing OK with the amount of money they're letting us spend. It doesn't appear to me that they're taking huge chunks of cash from the club like the Glaziers for instance but maybe we/I just don't know about it. The fans can't have it both ways. To keep us in with a shout of competing financially we have to be a global club and that will mean foreigners and OOT supporters coming to the ground. If we were just supported by locals, we'd lose a massive amount of money and therefore wouldn't be able to compete on any front. fantastic response just what am looking for, you put ure point over really well. I can see this way of thinking, can you see the point of say an average local fan who is struggling to pay for season tickets when all he sees is The club putting up prices because of the demand from out of town and foreign fans turning up, am sure if you asked any local fan would you rather support a mid table club that you can actually go and watch or have a club win leagues and champions leagues and you can never go and watch because it's too expensive I think you would find they would chose the first option. I just think people have to look at it from both sides instead of just one side. Still liked ure feedback tho... What's your point? That the club must have more local fans, why? Atletico Madrid has more fans fron Madrid than Real, so what?
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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support. all good points really enjoying the feedback, think the opinions are proving there is room for sensible discussion. My own thoughts is that we are definitely a club of diversions, on one side we have what's best for the club which is purely and simply making money and fleecing fans cups and glory are not really important to FSG as long as they are turning over a profit, then we have the fans who don't make a penny from the club and support it out of love they don't care how much money the club makes as long as we win trophies and get a bit of glory, two different sides. The next is the fans and no matter what people say there are diversions in that too, locals feel aggrieved because they are being priced out season by season and the reason for that in most fans eyes I'd Because foreign and fans from out of town turning up are driving up the prices again this is another valid pint, Foreign and outside fans complain they can't get tickets because locals have season tickets all good points and worth the discussion. I find it a bit similar to what the government are in with the image ant crisis the more that come in the more the drain on public services e.t.c it's a difficult one that I don't know what the answer is, worth exploring further tho I suppose, keep the feedback coming as it's interesting... Still trying to create a "them and us" among the fans. did you actually read what I wrote...there is already a divide between what the club and fans want, I have provided what I have based it on so there is ure topic to debate, either agree with it or don't whatever happens there is still a divide wether people like it or not, that's life... In your opinion there is a divide. I think your post is meant to be divisive rather than to create debate. Liverpool has had a worldwide following for many years and you seem to have difficulty accepting that. As Wilki said, if the fan base was entirely locally based we would struggle to generate the funds to keep us competitive. Someone travelling from Ireland 4 or 5 times a year will spend as much following Liverpool as the season ticket holders who attend every game.
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but does the person traveling over to Anfield from Ireland give more to the club than a season ticket holder or does his money go to ferry or plane fares and hotel accommodation I think you will find the club doesn't get the money from them but does from season tickets,, I am creating a debate by pointing out there is a divide between club and fans and also between the fans themselves, nothing wrong with pointing that out and discussing it as it's interesting to find out people thoughts on a forum...
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Liverpool FC does not belong to any of us it's also increasingly pretty irrelevant it's located in Liverpool. It's a global corporation that happens to be based in Liverpool for historical reasons. The word fan in relation to any organisation like Liverpool FC is interesting. I have recently gone to watch more local non league football to me that is a fan a connection with the club and a personal involvement the experience is totally different to a premiership club. Of course it's always been different but the difference in the 1970's was only one of scale now it seems a totally different culture I can't explain it in words but hopefully someone will understand my wavelength
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but does the person traveling over to Anfield from Ireland give more to the club than a season ticket holder or does his money go to ferry or plane fares and hotel accommodation I think you will find the club doesn't get the money from them but does from season tickets,, I am creating a debate by pointing out there is a divide between club and fans and also between the fans themselves, nothing wrong with pointing that out and discussing it as it's interesting to find out people thoughts on a forum... I said the fan travelling from Ireland spent as much following the team as a season ticket holder. Again you assert there is a divide among the fans. No there isn't, our fan base is made up from a wide group of people from a variety of different backgrounds and geographical locations. But we are all Liverpool fans. You are implying that fans from outside of Liverpool are depriving locals of the chance to attend games. That is nonsense and divisive, but as I mentioned previously this was your war cry before you were banned here before.
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The idea fans from outside Liverpool are depriving fans from Liverpool to see the club play is total and utter nonsense. Liverpool's local support has always been from the North west generally it's never been Liverpool centric even in the 1930's. People from Ireland also have always travelled over to follow the North west clubs such as Manchester / Liverpool this has been the case for generations and well before the global era today when supporters can literally come from anywhere in the globe or outside it for all I know
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The idea fans from outside Liverpool are depriving fans from Liverpool to see the club play is total and utter nonsense. Liverpool's local support has always been from the North west generally it's never been Liverpool centric even in the 1930's. People from Ireland also have always travelled over to follow the North west clubs such as Manchester / Liverpool this has been the case for generations and well before the global era today when supporters can literally come from anywhere in the globe or outside it for all I know So would you say say a local who has to sit in his local pub with his two kids with him because firstly he can't get tickets because they are not released like they used to be and secondly because even if he could he wouldn't be able to afford nearly 170 quid do you think he would not think tickets and availability would not be that way if the Club did not have so many glory hunters, because I know many of my mates think that and people Talk to. I think it's just the way people think, bit like the goverment with the immigrants, many people in this country say we shouldn't take any in because they are draining benefits like jobs NHS and there is already too much austerity around so I do think it's normal for people to point the finger if they see something which they think is going against them. Good response tho Stanley liking your thoughts even tho I don't entirely agree...
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