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it makes me laugh when people get hysterical when the talk switches to fans and support all I have done is state 2 facts and challenge anyone to disagree. You haven't stated two facts though have you, you've stated your opinion which isn't a fact. If I lived in London and said there were more West Ham fans than Arsenal or Chelsea, does that mean its a fact? No, it means thats my view.
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it makes me laugh when people get hysterical when the talk switches to fans and support all I have done is state 2 facts and challenge anyone to disagree. You haven't stated two facts though have you, you've stated your opinion which isn't a fact. If I lived in London and said there were more West Ham fans than Arsenal or Chelsea, does that mean its a fact? No, it means thats my view. you can only go on what you see and know on this subject, let's apply common sense here, Liverpool is one of if not the poorest city in the country, Liverpool Football Club charges top three dearest prices for tickets in the country so straight away that puts locals at a disadvantage. The next thing is the ticketing policy, People from outside of Liverpool. Mostly earn more money than locals and can afford to spend more, the club over the years has targeted this type of fan demonstrated by the Thomas Cook section u probably don't know about that. A local is not going to be turning up at 11 o'clock in the morning for a 3 o'clock game and spending 150 quid in the club shop like tourist fans do neither is he going to buy Liverpool cups of tea and sausage rolls for 4 quid a pop, this is why the club do not want local fans because they don't make any money from us. They are building this new tier for rich out of town fans and businesses because local fans can't afford the VIP seats so you see it's all aimed at corporate and rich fans, this is where Everton Hoover up all the young local fans. If you look hard enough even a person with limited sense can see what's going on here...
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it makes me laugh when people get hysterical when the talk switches to fans and support all I have done is state 2 facts and challenge anyone to disagree. You haven't stated two facts though have you, you've stated your opinion which isn't a fact. If I lived in London and said there were more West Ham fans than Arsenal or Chelsea, does that mean its a fact? No, it means thats my view. you can only go on what you see and know on this subject, let's apply common sense here, Liverpool is one of if not the poorest city in the country, Liverpool Football Club charges top three dearest prices for tickets in the country so straight away that puts locals at a disadvantage. The next thing is the ticketing policy, People from outside of Liverpool. Mostly earn more money than locals and can afford to spend more, the club over the years has targeted this type of fan demonstrated by the Thomas Cook section u probably don't know about that. A local is not going to be turning up at 11 o'clock in the morning for a 3 o'clock game and spending 150 quid in the club shop like tourist fans do neither is he going to buy Liverpool cups of tea and sausage rolls for 4 quid a pop, this is why the club do not want local fans because they don't make any money from us. They are building this new tier for rich out of town fans and businesses because local fans can't afford the VIP seats so you see it's all aimed at corporate and rich fans, this is where Everton Hoover up all the young local fans. If you look hard enough even a person with limited sense can see what's going on here... Never a truer word spoken........
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it makes me laugh when people get hysterical when the talk switches to fans and support all I have done is state 2 facts and challenge anyone to disagree. You haven't stated two facts though have you, you've stated your opinion which isn't a fact. If I lived in London and said there were more West Ham fans than Arsenal or Chelsea, does that mean its a fact? No, it means thats my view. you can only go on what you see and know on this subject, let's apply common sense here, Liverpool is one of if not the poorest city in the country, Liverpool Football Club charges top three dearest prices for tickets in the country so straight away that puts locals at a disadvantage. The next thing is the ticketing policy, People from outside of Liverpool. Mostly earn more money than locals and can afford to spend more, the club over the years has targeted this type of fan demonstrated by the Thomas Cook section u probably don't know about that. A local is not going to be turning up at 11 o'clock in the morning for a 3 o'clock game and spending 150 quid in the club shop like tourist fans do neither is he going to buy Liverpool cups of tea and sausage rolls for 4 quid a pop, this is why the club do not want local fans because they don't make any money from us. They are building this new tier for rich out of town fans and businesses because local fans can't afford the VIP seats so you see it's all aimed at corporate and rich fans, this is where Everton Hoover up all the young local fans. If you look hard enough even a person with limited sense can see what's going on here... Never a truer word spoken........ good interesting debate, liking it, would be interesting to know how other locals view it and wether they think Everton have more locals attending games than us...
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you can only go on what you see and know on this subject, let's apply common sense here, Liverpool is one of if not the poorest city in the country, Liverpool Football Club charges top three dearest prices for tickets in the country so straight away that puts locals at a disadvantage. The next thing is the ticketing policy, People from outside of Liverpool. Mostly earn more money than locals and can afford to spend more, the club over the years has targeted this type of fan demonstrated by the Thomas Cook section u probably don't know about that. A local is not going to be turning up at 11 o'clock in the morning for a 3 o'clock game and spending 150 quid in the club shop like tourist fans do neither is he going to buy Liverpool cups of tea and sausage rolls for 4 quid a pop, this is why the club do not want local fans because they don't make any money from us. They are building this new tier for rich out of town fans and businesses because local fans can't afford the VIP seats so you see it's all aimed at corporate and rich fans, this is where Everton Hoover up all the young local fans. If you look hard enough even a person with limited sense can see what's going on here... I'd back my own sense ahead of yours every day based on your posts so far. Liverpool as a city has its poor areas, it also has its extremely wealthy areas, same as any other city. Is Liverpool poorer than Manchester? Maybe years ago but not anymore it isn't. Have you ever been to an away game? All clubs charge a fortune for food and drink in the ground.
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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support.
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Yeah I think the Liverpool poor area does not work for me I live slap between Manchester and Liverpool the local catchment for both teams. I agree the pricing does not match the product offered or the local demographics. But like Manchester United Liverpool are a world famous brand and that's what you are paying your £60 for were it for value it would be about £20 in today's market but there we go. I have followed Liverpool since 1963 and even in the shankly days before global brands had even been thought of Liverpool FC attracted support from accross the north west of England it's bound to Liverpool and Manchester are the capital cities of the North west
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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support. all good points really enjoying the feedback, think the opinions are proving there is room for sensible discussion. My own thoughts is that we are definitely a club of diversions, on one side we have what's best for the club which is purely and simply making money and fleecing fans cups and glory are not really important to FSG as long as they are turning over a profit, then we have the fans who don't make a penny from the club and support it out of love they don't care how much money the club makes as long as we win trophies and get a bit of glory, two different sides. The next is the fans and no matter what people say there are diversions in that too, locals feel aggrieved because they are being priced out season by season and the reason for that in most fans eyes I'd Because foreign and fans from out of town turning up are driving up the prices again this is another valid pint, Foreign and outside fans complain they can't get tickets because locals have season tickets all good points and worth the discussion. I find it a bit similar to what the government are in with the image ant crisis the more that come in the more the drain on public services e.t.c it's a difficult one that I don't know what the answer is, worth exploring further tho I suppose, keep the feedback coming as it's interesting...
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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support. all good points really enjoying the feedback, think the opinions are proving there is room for sensible discussion. My own thoughts is that we are definitely a club of diversions, on one side we have what's best for the club which is purely and simply making money and fleecing fans cups and glory are not really important to FSG as long as they are turning over a profit, then we have the fans who don't make a penny from the club and support it out of love they don't care how much money the club makes as long as we win trophies and get a bit of glory, two different sides. The next is the fans and no matter what people say there are diversions in that too, locals feel aggrieved because they are being priced out season by season and the reason for that in most fans eyes I'd Because foreign and fans from out of town turning up are driving up the prices again this is another valid pint, Foreign and outside fans complain they can't get tickets because locals have season tickets all good points and worth the discussion. I find it a bit similar to what the government are in with the image ant crisis the more that come in the more the drain on public services e.t.c it's a difficult one that I don't know what the answer is, worth exploring further tho I suppose, keep the feedback coming as it's interesting... Still trying to create a "them and us" among the fans.
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This locals vs OOT has been done to death and thankfully died a death a long time back. Why bring it back up unless of course you are one of those who got booted for it reincarnated?
I bet you'd be the first to moan if the club was poor and couldn't even compete for the cups you think we should concentrate on winning because, like it or not, all those 'rich' 'foreigners' bring a lot of money to the club to help us try and compete.
Football and especially the EPL is a global sport and I can't think of any club in any top flight that relies solely on local support. all good points really enjoying the feedback, think the opinions are proving there is room for sensible discussion. My own thoughts is that we are definitely a club of diversions, on one side we have what's best for the club which is purely and simply making money and fleecing fans cups and glory are not really important to FSG as long as they are turning over a profit, then we have the fans who don't make a penny from the club and support it out of love they don't care how much money the club makes as long as we win trophies and get a bit of glory, two different sides. The next is the fans and no matter what people say there are diversions in that too, locals feel aggrieved because they are being priced out season by season and the reason for that in most fans eyes I'd Because foreign and fans from out of town turning up are driving up the prices again this is another valid pint, Foreign and outside fans complain they can't get tickets because locals have season tickets all good points and worth the discussion. I find it a bit similar to what the government are in with the image ant crisis the more that come in the more the drain on public services e.t.c it's a difficult one that I don't know what the answer is, worth exploring further tho I suppose, keep the feedback coming as it's interesting... Still trying to create a "them and us" among the fans. did you actually read what I wrote...there is already a divide between what the club and fans want, I have provided what I have based it on so there is ure topic to debate, either agree with it or don't whatever happens there is still a divide wether people like it or not, that's life...
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