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But it's not about who is the best player but the best SERVANT
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For me his achievements are more impressive than those you mention, considering the teams played in.
There are two sides to the argument about Gerrard playing for a less superior team being more impressive, for me the playing for a poorer team worked in Gerrard's favour in that although he was a very good player, playing alongside rubbish made him look better than he actually was. If you were to put Lucas in Tranmere Rovers midfield he would shine like a beacon yet in Liverpool,s team he is only average at best, do you honestly think Gerrard would of shone as bright if he moved to Chelsea and played alongside Lampard, Essien, Robben, Terry, Cole and Drogba he would be as good as them but no superstar like he was with us. I just want to mention another great I criminally left out...Ray Clemence there is no way Gerrard is ahead of him as regards greatest players, no way at all. You have to wonder why players like Henry and Zidane said Gerrard was the best and most influential midfielder in world football if he was only a "very good player". Also Mourinho tried to sign him 3 times so he obviously thought he'd shine in his teams, one of which was Chelsea. For the record I don't think Gerrard would have been as good at another club though for one reason alone, and that is he is a boyhood Liverpool fan and from the city, playing for Liverpool would always mean more to him than playing for Chelsea or anybody else. As for Ray Clemence again he's before my time but I've seen and been told how good he was. Still, nobody beats Gerrard for me for reasons already stated. [/quote]yes can see why Zidane would say that, like I say Gerrard for me is probably the second best player to play for us behind John Barnes playing ability wise but greatness is an entirely different matter and he doesn't make top ten in my book, servant is different again Carragher and Cally to name but two ahead in that category...
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On the non playing side Reuben Bennett or Ronnie Moran both did a huge amount to make the club what it is
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On the non playing side Reuben Bennett or Ronnie Moran both did a huge amount to make the club what it is Tom Saunders another one...
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On the non playing side Reuben Bennett or Ronnie Moran both did a huge amount to make the club what it is Tom Saunders another one... Forgot him yes very true
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It's a subjective argument there are no right answers. Also a servant to me is not necessarily the most talented player. I have followed Liverpool since early childhood in 1963. These would be my list Callaghan, Hansen, dalglish, Gerrard, heighway, hall.
Of that list I would put Callaghan, dalglish, heighway, hall ahead.
I think Callaghan edges it for the length of playing service and post career help to the club most of which was unpublicised. He also was in an era where rewards were very moderate e.g wages three times the UK average wage God knows what multipler modern footballers are of the average wage.
I remember him as a player right sided mid hardly ever injured and a workrate I have never seen bettered I am doing this from memory but I think he has most appearances for Liverpool of any player. I would say not as talented as Gerrard but he was international class and would be in any Liverpool all time 11.
For me no one has given more to the club for so little Some people are getting confused between great player and servant. I am saying great servant because he had the opportunity to earn more both in terms of money and trophies but stayed helping the club to win the CL (not only the final, let's not forget the Olympiakos 3rd goal to get us through) and the FA cup. He decided to serve the club when he had much better options, not sure who else did that for LFC. As a player, from what I have seen, I would put him just behind Dalglish
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If anyone is in any doubt about Stevie Me's ego just read either of his 2 autobiographies for better insight into that side of his character.
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so what.big player.big name.so big ego... nothing new
Steven Gerrard: Heartbeat of LFC.
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A friend of mine works in a public role in Liverpool and he is not a BS really honest guy. He has dealt with caragher and Gerrard a lot. He has said to me on a few occasions caragher has no issues really nice and helpful whereas Gerrard ignores and can be really moody and stand offish
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It's a subjective argument there are no right answers. Also a servant to me is not necessarily the most talented player. I have followed Liverpool since early childhood in 1963. These would be my list Callaghan, Hansen, dalglish, Gerrard, heighway, hall.
Of that list I would put Callaghan, dalglish, heighway, hall ahead.
I think Callaghan edges it for the length of playing service and post career help to the club most of which was unpublicised. He also was in an era where rewards were very moderate e.g wages three times the UK average wage God knows what multipler modern footballers are of the average wage.
I remember him as a player right sided mid hardly ever injured and a workrate I have never seen bettered I am doing this from memory but I think he has most appearances for Liverpool of any player. I would say not as talented as Gerrard but he was international class and would be in any Liverpool all time 11.
For me no one has given more to the club for so little Some people are getting confused between great player and servant. I am saying great servant because he had the opportunity to earn more both in terms of money and trophies but stayed helping the club to win the CL (not only the final, let's not forget the Olympiakos 3rd goal to get us through) and the FA cup. He decided to serve the club when he had much better options, not sure who else did that for LFC. As a player, from what I have seen, I would put him just behind Dalglish Callaghan was one of the core stalwarts who took Liverpool from second division no bodies to the top of European football and made the club the global entity what it is today. I think he was made the maximum appearances great player a work rate I have never seen since never arrested never beat the living daylight savings out of anyone at 3am money not an issue won a World Cup along with Rodger hunt which reflects well on Liverpool post retirement did a lot of unseen work for the club and community I could go on and on. Gerrard was a great player to an extent a good servant but the greatest ever no way !
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