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This all depends on your definition of terrorists. In my opinion, terrorists are those who go into other peoples countries and colonize them against their will. Those who turn the people into slaves against their will. Those who impose their power around the world using military force against nations weaker than them. The British didn't go around throwing flowers at the local american ndian population, they didn't go throwing flowers at the people of africa either...or india for that matter. I find it ubelievable that a country which has colonized half of the planet is now complaining about immigrants and such.


You see, perhaps if those went away, just perhaps, extremist islamic terrorist might go away too.

Beware of propaganda. Is it not just incredible how absolutely nothing survives these bomb blasts and towers falling, other than the terrorists passports? What the heck are they made of? Kryptonite?

I feel very sorry for all the people who lost their lives or their loved ones, but there are always two sides to a story and i am afraid that the media is portraying only one side.

I condemn any and all forms of violence, but I think we are missing the point here, bombing the sh1t out of terrorists will not make them go away, it will just breed a new generation.

Marko are you saying that we as modern English folk have to take all the punishment for what our government/s have done in the past,even recent past,not everyone here likes our noses being poked in whether we like it or not to be fair.

evidence that is backed up with proof or just hearsay I know when I was in the navy and one of ours shot down a combatant we celebrated that's normal its us against them right!
now was the us at war with iran at the time of this event you are highlighting I'm not sure tbh and if they went back to base and were celebrating other strikes that had happened in the war maybe someone decided to say they were celebrating the passenger jet but tbh I can not see us soldiers celebrating a civilian aircraft shoot down to be honest imo [/quote]

Fisk is one of the most respected journo's ever to work in the middle east, I don't think his work has ever been proved false. You are welcome to try it. It was a proxy war with Iran , the US was supporting the lovable Saddam against Iran because Iran had the nerve to oust their tyrant leader that the US and the UK installed over them. The navy ship in question came in for sever criticism over allegations of being trigger happy and aggressive in the region and the US decide to show support to its ship by celebrating its return to base with a big party. After just killing 300 people ,women and babies amongst them. [/quote]

so no evidence just his say so [/quote]

He makes reference to a military magazine that covered the welcome home party. I haven't seen the magazine myself but he has and I would take his word for it.

You are certainly proving to be a half wit not sure about your racist standing. "By justifying their existence you condone them". That is one of the stupidest things I have ever read. One it doesn't tally with anything I have said on the matter and two it doesn't even make sense, you can justifying the existence of anything or anyone doesn't mean you condone them. Lets take Hitler for example, I can justify his existence and why he came to power does that mean I condone the holocaust.You are a half wit, come back when you are not talking mumbo jumbo.

If you support the tories in my eyes you are leaning towards a racist inclination. They are centre right and that centre is moving more right as time goes by. If you also supported Israel then yeah I would class you as far right nutjob, and if you professed a hatred of Nelson Mandela then yes complete nutjob racist.

The one miracle hope the world has that if by some chance jermey corbyn and bernie sanders are both in office at the same time..that might actually change the world for the better. As long as we have these capitalist pig fuuuking people haters and drone striking do nothings in office we are screwed...there is an outside chance both jermey and bernie( who actually seem to be real and decent people) could get elected,if that happens the world will become a better place.Vote for them

martian scientists can find no evidence of intelligent life on earth

I don't think emp the west always does everything right but nor do I think it does everything wrong either. Fundanentally though the wests motives are in the right place we are the place to live for a good life and freedom. No one drags us away and kills us for making these comments do they emp ? many of the countries you admire would do. But the solution for you is clear if you really hate the west so much then pack your bags and clear off. The fact you don't shows this is just posturing but that's your right in a free democracy which would not be the case if we're ruled some other way.

I can't think of one incident in the last say 60 years where the west motives were fundamentally right..quiet the opposite, not since the US kicked the UK and France out of the Suez Canal, that was the last decent thing the west has done. Since then its motives have solely been power and money driven, with absolute zero moral thought. Nixons/kissengers decision to switch the economy from production to finance and the subsequent shuttle diplomacy ( or murder of poor people that might want to organize and not work in sweat shops around the world) has lead to murder of millions , the attempted destruction of all labour movements, the dilapidation of american peoples infrastructure.

The west has supported apartheid, supported the imprisonment of Palestinians, terrorised Latin American, turned south east asia into a bloodbath and have supported minority elite rule in the middle east forever..if democracy pops up in any of these regions the west tries to murder it. I should be grateful for that? No stan ,I know who won my freedoms that I enjoy and it sure as hell isn't western govts, its the people on the streets that died for it, the french revolutionaries, the civil rights movements, the anti-war movements and the solidarity campaigners .

Western Govts are not democratic they are bought and paid for by corporations who then employ armies of lawyers to set up secret trade treaties that nobody votes for. That is the reality of todays political system and until people actually run our goverments it will continue.

I hate the Clintons , Hilary would just be more of the same, it would just be oh look our first women president much like obama is look our first black president.. She would do nothing, less dangerous than the nutjob republicans tho for sure.

imho, there is no "east" and "west", only human perceptions. the only way we can bring real peace, dignity and prosperity to all on planet earth is :
1. retire all kings, queens, sultans, caliphates and other such like to the rubbish bin.
2. remove all politicians - they and the guys in 1 got us into this mess in the first place.
3. remove all borders - this planet belongs to all of us
4. set up a world governing structure, similar but superior to the UN.
5. one uniform currency / one language
i can go on - the list is endless