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Probably a good idea. This sort of discussion has led to bans in the past and we don't need any of that.
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Unlike some self appointed experts I don't profess to know all the answers. But as a previous posters has described very well it's not just a case of terrorism although these incidents are very bad they will never defeat the west. The Islamists strategy is to change western societies by making them change from their cultures and values to something else and long term by over populating the host culture and not integrating. This is a huge danger especially for Europe read about the situation in countries such as Sweden where in just 14 years from now swedes will be the minority and in just a few years has become the rape capital of the world. Here in the UK many of our towns have become balkanised and of course the raping of children that went in for many years with authorities to frightened to act. In the Middle East I don't have the answers and anyone on here who thinks they can personally solve the problems in the Middle East is an idiot. However my thoughts are the west should stop trying to impose democracy in its own model Assad saddam Gaddafi and the like were dictators but the countries were more stable under their rule. America should work with Russia to elimate Islamic state from the air and support Arab forces on the ground which is pretty much what is happening. In terms of the islamification of western societies I have no answers but it's very worrying
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Unlike some self appointed experts I don't profess to know all the answers. But as a previous posters has described very well it's not just a case of terrorism although these incidents are very bad they will never defeat the west. The Islamists strategy is to change western societies by making them change from their cultures and values to something else and long term by over populating the host culture and not integrating. This is a huge danger especially for Europe read about the situation in countries such as Sweden where in just 14 years from now swedes will be the minority and in just a few years has become the rape capital of the world. Here in the UK many of our towns have become balkanised and of course the raping of children that went in for many years with authorities to frightened to act. In the Middle East I don't have the answers and anyone on here who thinks they can personally solve the problems in the Middle East is an idiot. However my thoughts are the west should stop trying to impose democracy in its own model Assad saddam Gaddafi and the like were dictators but the countries were more stable under their rule. America should work with Russia to elimate Islamic state from the air and support Arab forces on the ground which is pretty much what is happening. In terms of the islamification of western societies I have no answers but it's very worrying That sums it up very well I believe
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Unlike some self appointed experts I don't profess to know all the answers. But as a previous posters has described very well it's not just a case of terrorism although these incidents are very bad they will never defeat the west. The Islamists strategy is to change western societies by making them change from their cultures and values to something else and long term by over populating the host culture and not integrating. This is a huge danger especially for Europe read about the situation in countries such as Sweden where in just 14 years from now swedes will be the minority and in just a few years has become the rape capital of the world. Here in the UK many of our towns have become balkanised and of course the raping of children that went in for many years with authorities to frightened to act. In the Middle East I don't have the answers and anyone on here who thinks they can personally solve the problems in the Middle East is an idiot. However my thoughts are the west should stop trying to impose democracy in its own model Assad saddam Gaddafi and the like were dictators but the countries were more stable under their rule. America should work with Russia to elimate Islamic state from the air and support Arab forces on the ground which is pretty much what is happening. In terms of the islamification of western societies I have no answers but it's very worrying You sound like the Daily Mail Stan.
That job interview was going so well until I realized I was fukked up on acid in the middle of a cornfield naked and talking to a scarecrow.
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It's fine saying I sound like the daily mail but I challenge anyone to say those things are not true and to demonstrate by rational argument otherwise. I also see from the echo one of the Paris dead is an Everton fan group leader the equivalent of Dunc.
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You so are the daily mail, you have no answers at all. If you are so worried about muslims in our culture then you should be all for making the middle east a better place for these people to live in. Talking about rapes, your own Govt was/is a child sex ring, with ur beloved maggie knowing about it and sweeping it under the table, even now the police mysteriously lost all the files relating to it.
There is answers, and you know it, if there was a two state solution ,which everyone bar the US and Israel want, then the whole situation who start to diffuse. But no Stan you are just an evil pragmatic racist pig who points at the crimes of others but refuses to acknowledge our own crimes. The saudi's and other rich sunni countries fund ISIS and yet u are more than happy to prop up their GOVTs cause it makes business sense. Get some conviction
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Bb You so are the daily mail, you have no answers at all. If you are so worried about muslims in our culture then you should be all for making the middle east a better place for these people to live in. Talking about rapes, your own Govt was/is a child sex ring, with ur beloved maggie knowing about it and sweeping it under the table, even now the police mysteriously lost all the files relating to it.
There is answers, and you know it, if there was a two state solution ,which everyone bar the US and Israel want, then the whole situation who start to diffuse. But no Stan you are just an evil pragmatic racist pig who points at the crimes of others but refuses to acknowledge our own crimes. The saudi's and other rich sunni countries fund ISIS and yet u are more than happy to prop up their GOVTs cause it makes business sense. Get some conviction Do you really think the attacks in Paris were about palastine ? Your mad, this is a war a global war the problems of islamification are the same the world over from Australia to Canada to the UK to France and the whole of Europe. The reasons are complex but solve them we must or our civilisations will perish. What is happening in Sweden today will be Britain in a few decades. we could change foreign policy to whatever you want it to emp tommorrow this problem will move not one inch. It's not just about the gun it's also about changing the culture of western societies and eventually running them. As for the child rapes the allegations against ex government ministers are without evidence but even if they were true they don't justify the industrial scale child abuse that went on in dozens of British towns for over 20 years with the authorities too scared to act
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do you have proof re the party ? I know they took responsibility for it as an accident due to the aircraft not sending the correct digital code all planes should send and despite many attempts by the navy ship to contact the aircraft no response was received so they assumed it was a hostile however none of the planes brought down by isis or other terrorists was an accident were they ?
bit different that emp yes you can read the evidence in Bob Fisks book "The war on civilization" which also casts huge doubts on that version of events u stated. I suppose all the hospital attacks and media outlet attacks we commit time and time and time again are all accidents too. Its not like we don't support terrorists tho, u might wanna check out Luis Posada Carriles who happily lived in miami and picked up CIA paychecks whilst he was bombing civilian airlines. Our check out the history of the US school of Americas which trained terrorists to wipe out villages in latin america .. pretty much like islamic state training people to attack us. Great that we can condemn them yet not look in the mirror. evidence that is backed up with proof or just hearsay I know when I was in the navy and one of ours shot down a combatant we celebrated that's normal its us against them right! now was the us at war with iran at the time of this event you are highlighting I'm not sure tbh and if they went back to base and were celebrating other strikes that had happened in the war maybe someone decided to say they were celebrating the passenger jet but tbh I can not see us soldiers celebrating a civilian aircraft shoot down to be honest imo Fisk is one of the most respected journo's ever to work in the middle east, I don't think his work has ever been proved false. You are welcome to try it. It was a proxy war with Iran , the US was supporting the lovable Saddam against Iran because Iran had the nerve to oust their tyrant leader that the US and the UK installed over them. The navy ship in question came in for sever criticism over allegations of being trigger happy and aggressive in the region and the US decide to show support to its ship by celebrating its return to base with a big party. After just killing 300 people ,women and babies amongst them.
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Bb You so are the daily mail, you have no answers at all. If you are so worried about muslims in our culture then you should be all for making the middle east a better place for these people to live in. Talking about rapes, your own Govt was/is a child sex ring, with ur beloved maggie knowing about it and sweeping it under the table, even now the police mysteriously lost all the files relating to it.
There is answers, and you know it, if there was a two state solution ,which everyone bar the US and Israel want, then the whole situation who start to diffuse. But no Stan you are just an evil pragmatic racist pig who points at the crimes of others but refuses to acknowledge our own crimes. The saudi's and other rich sunni countries fund ISIS and yet u are more than happy to prop up their GOVTs cause it makes business sense. Get some conviction Do you really think the attacks in Paris were about palastine ? Your mad, this is a war a global war the problems of islamification are the same the world over from Australia to Canada to the UK to France and the whole of Europe. The reasons are complex but solve them we must or our civilisations will perish. What is happening in Sweden today will be Britain in a few decades. we could change foreign policy to whatever you want it to emp tommorrow this problem will move not one inch. It's not just about the gun it's also about changing the culture of western societies and eventually running them. As for the child rapes the allegations against ex government ministers are without evidence but even if they were true they don't justify the industrial scale child abuse that went on in dozens of British towns for over 20 years with the authorities too scared to act The attacks in Paris are a direct result of the Wests foreign policy in the middle east, the Palestinian problem being a major component of that. That is blatantly manifestly obvious, any sane person should be able to join the dots on that one. Propaganda daily mail hate that u spout leads us nowhere. Yes the muslim communities have problems but we have our own guilt too, without evidence? cause the evidence was lost and the govt is hardly going to expose itself as a child sex/murder ring which it looks increasingly likely that it is. We all have a history and culture of sex offences against the vulnerable and we all have to face up to them. islam is never going to change western values and ideas, we had the renaissance and enlightenment and civil rights period, that is who we are..scare mongering about islam intentions is pathetic. Again I repeat if we change our foreign policy in the middle east , most of our major problems will disappear. Our do you think our policies in the middle east are fine?
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Emp you have a bee in your bonnet about Palestine to the point of mental illness so any and every world problem is related to that in your mind nothing I or anyone else can do about that. Your glossing over the uk child grooming scandals is a disgrace, that's one for your conscience. Where I do agree with you is we need to change our policies in the middle east and if you read my recent posts I have been saying that repeatedly. To repeat it yet again the west needs to abandon its aim of removing Assad and form an alliance with Russia Iran to remove Islamic state from the face of the earth. If that means we are stuck with Assad so be it. Then somehow we have to deal with the danger of islamification of western civilisations a start would be solving the Syrian problem see above.
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