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That is the "clash of civiliations" nonsense theory- there was/is no desire for the muslims to enslave everyone that is pure crap. We the west have caused havoc in that region because its got loads of cash. Most muslims in that region want to live in peace and harmony and we denied them that. We support the nutbags, we opposed the arab spring, we continue to deny the palestians a state of their own. Sam P. Huntington's neocon theory has been widely ridiculed as propaganda by intellectuals with any sort of history knowledge. I am not surprised to see u spouting it tho The west has enslaved a big portion of the world for a long time but not anymore and it is not the west that created havoc after the removal of Saddam Hussain, in fact the Iraqi people were given the opportunity to adopt democracy. However, they were not ready for democracy, they only understand dictatorship. Same thing happened in Egypt, Tunisia, Lybia etc. Muslins are involved in all conflicts in Israel, Arabia/middle East, Nigeria, Kenya, Mali, India, China, Russia, terrorism in Europe, that's' quite a lot, don't you think? In some conflicts like in Russia and Israel, I can understand the reasons, but that a minority.
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The west still enslaves, just economically because they can't be so bold as to evaporate a county like vietnam anymore because our people back home are too civilized to allow that to happen anymore. They took their chance with Iraq tho, lied about it and ruined it ,murdering untold amounts of people. I worked in Iraq during the occupation and it is not as u think it was, the west was not into democracy there because Iranian friendly shia's were going to win , the americans put off elections so many times and it was the americans who were promoting this shia v Sunni civil war thing. Iraq's never had that problem before but suddenly american was declaring a civil war and fueling it by ignoring the sunni's who still had the military power and by trying to un-iranian friendly people elected..its all a big mess all caused by the West.
The spread of jihadi's since our invasion of Iraq is glaringly obviously a result of our invasion of Iraq. We have fueled all this.
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The west still enslaves, just economically because they can't be so bold as to evaporate a county like vietnam anymore because our people back home are too civilized to allow that to happen anymore. They took their chance with Iraq tho, lied about it and ruined it ,murdering untold amounts of people. I worked in Iraq during the occupation and it is not as u think it was, the west was not into democracy there because Iranian friendly shia's were going to win , the americans put off elections so many times and it was the americans who were promoting this shia v Sunni civil war thing. Iraq's never had that problem before but suddenly american was declaring a civil war and fueling it by ignoring the sunni's who still had the military power and by trying to un-iranian friendly people elected..its all a big mess all caused by the West.
The spread of jihadi's since our invasion of Iraq is glaringly obviously a result of our invasion of Iraq. We have fueled all this.
Well if Iran was a democracy and people there were happy with their political system, then maybe what you are saying would have made sense, but, Iran is not a democracy who would be very happy to have Islam's influence all over the world. Allowing then to control a huge share of oil is not going to make the world a better place for me. Would you leave the west and go and live in Iran? Seriously.
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Ah u see Iran used to be a democracy you see but UK and USA didn't like that so overthrew the most progressive and secular govt and installed a tyrant instead. This is our history and this is why iran is now run by mullahs. Even so Iran has been becoming more and more moderate in the last 10yrs and yet we have nutjobs like netanyahu foaming at the mouth saying he wants to bomb them, and the US congress cheering him on to.
Our policies in the middle east need to be re-aligned with world opinion ,when it is the middle east will recover and we won't have young muslims running amok in our cities.. that is the only and right solution to this mess that we created.
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Vish makes a very good point the problem of radical Islam is all over the world and the problem is exactly the same in every area. I remember going to Phuket some years ago and passing into the Muslim area was like going into another world and I understand the same voilence occurs as in Europe I am not aware the U.S. has been involved in this area of the world in relation to Islam could it not be there is a world problem ? As for your comments on the areospace industry emp that is something an idealistic 15 year old would say before he / she grew up and became an adult. Do you seriously think a country like Britain could fund the billions in development for a defence industry only to sell to the RAF only ? the fax bill would be huge and even if we did other countries would fill the gap
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I was just commenting on the hypocrisy of you condemning the saudi system that you are happy enough to sell arms to. Can't have it both ways, u equate all this to nazi germany, should Churchill have sold arms to Germany?
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I've read all the comments and can see the passion on both sides of the story. I think it's best that everyone goes and does there own research without any pre assumptions and I bet most will have their views on the situation changed.
In the meantime lets just all get along as LFC supporters and keep this discussion about them.
Let the government take care of real issues, I'm sure they'll do a great job.
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I was just commenting on the hypocrisy of you condemning the saudi system that you are happy enough to sell arms to. Can't have it both ways, u equate all this to nazi germany, should Churchill have sold arms to Germany? Britain does not sell arms to any country there are strict diplomatic rules we have a strong relationship with Saudi rightly or wrongly for various diplomatic reasons and no Churchill would not sell to hitler. I suspect you know all this and I also suspect you understand the situation with a defence industry. However you are so stuck in your toy town revolutionary anti west agenda you can't bring yourself to admit it.
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Regardless of religion or who has done what in the past, this was a cowardly act by a bunch of utter cvnts! I'm just glad they're all dead as it's nothing less than they deserve for indiscriminately shooting innocent people, un-armed people. If they had any balls they'd rock up to an army base and try that shitte and see what they get!
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toy town ? not a toy town to the hundreds of thousands innocents dead in Iraq. Tell their families that its just tough that we killed their babies. Your very pragmatic when we kill them not so when they kill us.
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