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Let's say we did that and the whole of the Middle East turned into a violent caliphate with the intent of conquering what remains of the west within months IS would occupy Syria and Iraq a good start they would no doubt eventually slaughter all Israelis (emp would be delighted) but that would give them access to nuclear weapons together with the Muslims in western societies sympathetic to their aims maybe not quite so good an idea then ?

yeah thats very unlikely, like it or not it is the west that caused this.
Very easy solutions to it too, i.e stop our policies in the middle east. Iran could take care off ISIS easily but we won't let them cause they are the new bogeymen for some reason..ie they are shia and we support the nutbag saudi sunni's that fund ISIS..

If we followed international law and UN resolutions we would have no iraq war , a two state settlement and no ISIS.. instead we slaughtered people in Iraq, armed Israel to the teeth (when they are clearly insane), and have continued to back ISIS's backers and done a half hearted air strike against people that are clearly inhumane. Strange how Russia caused chaos to ISIS in a week of airstrikes but the allies couldn't hurt them..

Stay out of it, let Iran deal with ISIS and keep our meddling murdering hands out of the middle east

Where I will come in part to your argument is the brutal dictators saddam Gaddafi etc kept order better than the lawless states they are today. Not sure Iran could deal with IS but even if they did the Sunni / Shia conflict would create a bloodbath. Reluctantly I think Assad should be kept in power in Syria to maintain order and the west needs to accept that. However this conflict was never started by the west it's effectively a war from the Middle Ages that's never gone away the aim is to spread Islam accross the world and enslave the rest for centuries this has been repressed but in past decades an extreme form of Islam has arisen. If it was as you say a simple matter for the west to not do something I am pretty sure they would bend over backwards to do immediately.

That is the "clash of civiliations" nonsense theory- there was/is no desire for the muslims to enslave everyone that is pure crap. We the west have caused havoc in that region because its got loads of cash. Most muslims in that region want to live in peace and harmony and we denied them that. We support the nutbags, we opposed the arab spring, we continue to deny the palestians a state of their own. Sam P. Huntington's neocon theory has been widely ridiculed as propaganda by intellectuals with any sort of history knowledge. I am not surprised to see u spouting it tho

Look at the persecution of Christians in the Middle East try to open a Catholic Church in Saudi Arabia and see how you get on. This is nothing to do with the west this has gone on for centuries. I am sure most Muslims want to live in peace but like the Germans in the 1930's they are not in power there are enough to subscribe to the radical theory. And what's this about not supporting the Arab spring that was not my recollection did we not send jets to assist the rebels ousting Gaddafi ? Likewise we supported the overthrow of Mubarak. The truth is emp you hate the west it's obvious no matter what atrocity you find a way to blame us. Lord haw haw

Surprised to read such a simplistic viewpoint from you there Stanley, as regards the "Middle Ages" I'd recommend a study of the 1,500 year long war fought by the Christian monks and Cardinals with intent to wipe all vestiges of Islam, which included the murder of every man woman and child in Jerusalem at one stage and supported by every kingdom in the west including the English monarchy. too the present day there are still vestiges of that crusade in action. Most of what EMP is saying is correct imo.

You don't know ur politics our your history. Ok on the issue of opening a church in saudi arabia - course you couldn't do it..and who are the saudi's best buddies and arm them to the teeth? Yes us.
We so didn't support the Arab spring we were totally against it, we tried to keep Mubarak in power, right up to the point when it was impossible then we switched sides, we bombed Gaddafi because a negotiated settlement was a very real prospect and we bombed instead and left the place in choas. How did we react when Saudi Arabia invaded Bahrain and started killing innocent unarmed protesters ? we didn't react of course. Happy enough for them to do that.

I don't hate the west , I hate western govt's that are run by and for rich elite capitalists that want to control everything and cause havoc wherever there is money. We have been knocking back progress in the middle east for nearly a century now..on purpose, this is why young people there hate us and join nutbag extremists ,extremists that we also indirectly fund and support by being best friends with the people that fund them. Your muslims are inherently bad theory has no credibility . If you believed it you should be lobbying ur Govt to stop arming the saudi's .

Of course the Christians were brutal in the crusades but that was thousands of years ago I would like to think ideally we have all moved on but unfortuently not. That can't be used to justify the Paris attacks or the assaults on the west. Nor can our past foreign policy we are where we are and parties should work together for peace not rake up reasons for war. To people like emp everything and I mean everything is the fault of the west

Emp I live near British areospace near Wharton where they make the typhoon fighter hundreds are being laid off because of lack of orders. The Saudis buy our planes and help keep our defence industry going, Are you suggesting we don't sell to them or the Americans don't sell to them ? In which case do you think the Saudis won't have an Air Force ? Or do you think they will buy from the Russians it Chinese ?

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Typical if the muddled thinking not living in the real world typing on the computer in your string vest

Ah so yo condemn them but keep supporting them - easy to keep conflicting
views when u want your Arms industry to make money.

You say you want peace, yet you spout a simplistic theory that the cause of all this is muslims being bad people. Peace only comes when we the west support the UN resolutions that outline the road to peace. Truth is we don't want peace, we want as u say to sell arms to our guys.