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long-term sustainable project my backside they have been in charge five years and the club is going backwards the ground redevelopment we have been waiting for, for 15 years turns out to be rebuilding one stand and this is the weakest squad I have known in 50 years of following the club and I dont think we are anywhere near rock bottom yet surely we were far weaker during hodgson's reign konchesky, poulsen, joe cole that was the most dreadful 6 months i can remember as a liverpool fan Gerrard Caragher suarez the squad was stronger under hodgson this is without doubt the worst squad I can recall n ot one player who would get into thr first 11 of the top four teams 1) Milner has just come from a top 4 team..... 2) Ballotelli was at City when they were champions..... 3) Coutinho is every bit as good as Oscar & Willian...... 4) Skrtle & Sakho are no worse than Mertesacker, Demichellis, Chris smalling & phil jones.... 5) Sterling could get into any top 4 team - which is why some of the best clubs in the world are after him... 6) Mignolet is no worse than Ospina or Szczesny 7) Sturridge is as good as giroud, wellbeck, walcott, dzeko & costaThat's 7 players off the top of my head that could quite easily get into the 1st team of a top4. Which kid of proves that we maybe do have a 'top 4' squad and our manager is the weak link? He sure is, the problem though is that he is injured a lot. We need to burst the bank for a striker. Ings might be decent, Origi is only 19 and Benteke if we land him is not a bad player. But these players won't get us back into the top 4
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although I'm behind the idea of investing in young talent, purely because the established talent requires stiff competition and CL qualification, however, i still believe there needs to be some sort of balance.
it's all good saying arsenal managed it for years, but at the end of the day they were actually making 4th place every season and we aren't.
my main concern is that we are trying to build something based on a model that arsenal don't even use anymore. if you look at their current strategy they are now reinforcing their first 11 with a marquee signing each year. this season it was sanchez, the previous it was ozil.
maybe we will follow suit in the future when the stadium has been expanded and theres more corporate finances incoming. but until then we have to be making progress towards fourth place otherwise we'll struggle to get our hands on the "ozil's and sanchez's" available on the market We need a base of good young players and then build experience on top of that. We are in the process of building a strong core of young players. Granted young players alone won't win us the title, but when players from other clubs see our team consistently performing at a high level (which we are not at yet) then the likes of Sanchez and co are more likely to join. We need a solid foundation before we buy marquee players. No point having a world beater in a poor team. Financially it is inefficient. We need to give players time to develop (Sterling, Can, Coutinho, Markovic, Lovren, Sackho etc.). Not sell them before they mature. And remember we only need a young Suarez or a young Henry (like when Arsenal bought him) and we will be firmly back in the top 3/4. The only way we can get those players at the minute is buying before they become too esablished - essentially buying young unproven players with a lot of potential.
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Suarez was bought under hodgson or rather the bulk of the negotiations were you have completely missed the pount red scouser suarez played for and was signed by liverpool he was one of the most sought after players in Europe at the time we no longer seem to be in the market for players like that which was my point sorry to have to paint you a picture. In 50 years of following liverpool this is the weakest squad I can recall even souness and hodgson we had top players in the squad and we bought at the highest level,
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long-term sustainable project my backside they have been in charge five years and the club is going backwards the ground redevelopment we have been waiting for, for 15 years turns out to be rebuilding one stand and this is the weakest squad I have known in 50 years of following the club and I dont think we are anywhere near rock bottom yet surely we were far weaker during hodgson's reign konchesky, poulsen, joe cole that was the most dreadful 6 months i can remember as a liverpool fan Gerrard Caragher suarez the squad was stronger under hodgson this is without doubt the worst squad I can recall n ot one player who would get into thr first 11 of the top four teams 1) Milner has just come from a top 4 team..... 2) Ballotelli was at City when they were champions..... 3) Coutinho is every bit as good as Oscar & Willian...... 4) Skrtle & Sakho are no worse than Mertesacker, Demichellis, Chris smalling & phil jones.... 5) Sterling could get into any top 4 team - which is why some of the best clubs in the world are after him... 6) Mignolet is no worse than Ospina or Szczesny 7) Sturridge is as good as giroud, wellbeck, walcott, dzeko & costa That's 7 players off the top of my head that could quite easily get into the 1st team of a top4. Which kid of proves that we maybe do have a 'top 4' squad and our manager is the weak link? I think we do have players good enough to get ahead of some weak links in the top 4 teams first 11. But we don't have any players that would currently be true top 4 quality and significantly improve their teams. Though as you say, the fact that we do have some players that are a bit better than their weak links also shows how little the manager is getting out of them.
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Suarez was bought under hodgson or rather the bulk of the negotiations were you have completely missed the pount red scouser suarez played for and was signed by liverpool he was one of the most sought after players in Europe at the time we no longer seem to be in the market for players like that which was my point sorry to have to paint you a picture. In 50 years of following liverpool this is the weakest squad I can recall even souness and hodgson we had top players in the squad and we bought at the highest level, Yes but he moved to Liverpool because he had an awful disciplinary record that the other clubs didn't want to take a risk on. If he hadn't have bitten anyone when he was at Ajax we probably wouldn't have got him. And in some ways it came to bite us back (quite literally).
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That's a good point actually. Our best players are on a par with the top 4's worst players. Having a sub-standard manager only widens the gap.
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That's a good point actually. Our best players are on a par with the top 4's worst players. Having a sub-standard manager only widens the gap. Bit harsh. I think Sturridge (when fit) and Coutinho are on a par or most likely better than Giroud, Welbeck, Van Persie, Mata.
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Suarez was bought under hodgson or rather the bulk of the negotiations were you have completely missed the pount red scouser suarez played for and was signed by liverpool he was one of the most sought after players in Europe at the time we no longer seem to be in the market for players like that which was my point sorry to have to paint you a picture. In 50 years of following liverpool this is the weakest squad I can recall even souness and hodgson we had top players in the squad and we bought at the highest level, Yes but he moved to Liverpool because he had an awful disciplinary record that the other clubs didn't want to take a risk on. If he hadn't have bitten anyone when he was at Ajax we probably wouldn't have got him. And in some ways it came to bite us back (quite literally). Sorry, but that's BS. No one has ever turned away a top player because they had a bit of aggression about them. How come Barcelona paid a record fee for him? His disciplinary got even worse after he moved to LFC so that pretty much destroys your argument.
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That's a good point actually. Our best players are on a par with the top 4's worst players. Having a sub-standard manager only widens the gap. Bit harsh. I think Sturridge (when fit) and Coutinho are on a par or most likely better than Giroud, Welbeck, Van Persie, Mata. Sturridge possibly, but we've not really seen enough of him without Suarez in support so it's hard to call. Coutinho? Not in a million years would he get into an established top4 side. Far too inconsistent and doesn't score anywhere near enough.
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.Coutinho would walk into a top 4 side
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