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Originally Posted By: vish LFC
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I would choose success over a stadium vish if I was forced into making a choice but since when and why must we choose. A top club needs a top stadium

That's obvious


Top club in what? We are not even in the top 10 revenue wise, close to a 100m loss over the last 2 financial years, negative equity on the balance sheet, not in the CL in the last 5 years, not won the league in the last 24 years, no major trophy in the last 9 years. The only thing of value today is the fan base which has probably been eroding because of lack of success. Only a mad banker would dare to lend money to build a new stadium, with success on the pitch, that might change.


Agreed but in the future I would like us to be a top club that's where you and I differ


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Originally Posted By: vish LFC
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I would choose success over a stadium vish if I was forced into making a choice but since when and why must we choose. A top club needs a top stadium

That's obvious


Top club in what? We are not even in the top 10 revenue wise, close to a 100m loss over the last 2 financial years, negative equity on the balance sheet, not in the CL in the last 5 years, not won the league in the last 24 years, no major trophy in the last 9 years. The only thing of value today is the fan base which has probably been eroding because of lack of success. Only a mad banker would dare to lend money to build a new stadium, with success on the pitch, that might change.


Agreed but in the future I would like us to be a top club that's where you and I differ


I would also like us to be a top club but I am more realistic on how to get there while you are just dreaming and crying why nobody wants to deliver your dream. Anything is possible with success on the pitch, without it, we'll just become a mid table club, big stadium or not. As I said a club like Newcastle has a bigger stadium than us but are a smaller club due to lack of success.

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There is nothing wrong with being ambitious (you call it dreaming vish) as I have explained a new stadium over the longer term is viable. But our owners only look short term which is our problem.

But whatever the financial situation of the club is we will not overtake our rivals without matching them, That's the brutal reality if you want a smaller stadium fine but then you have to accept Liverpool will be second best and watch united win more than us fir the next 40 years, The most successful clubs always the wealthiest

I was told a few weeks ago we will overtake United by better sponsorship I think today showed that fallacy is ground to dust.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
There is nothing wrong with being ambitious (you call it dreaming vish) as I have explained a new stadium over the longer term is viable. But our owners only look short term which is our problem.

But whatever the financial situation of the club is we will not overtake our rivals without matching them, That's the brutal reality if you want a smaller stadium fine but then you have to accept Liverpool will be second best and watch united win more than us fir the next 40 years, The most successful clubs always the wealthiest

I was told a few weeks ago we will overtake United by better sponsorship I think today showed that fallacy is ground to dust.


We will overtake United on sponsorship deals but only if we are more successful than them regularly. They are currently the most successful team in the EPL and as recent as the last couple of decades. If you understood we would overtake them this season, then you are a lost case. By the way, the difference between ambition and dreaming is that a dream is an unrealistic ambition.

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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
Originally Posted By: vish LFC
Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Back to the orginal post Uniteds kit deal. The FSG fans have been explaining how FSG are the best in the world at obtaining sponsoship and this will compensate for us having a small ground relative to our main rivals man united.

So why have LFC not got a kit deal worth £75m a year over 10 years?

Why ?

Might it just be FSG are no better than the others and our product over 10 years is not deemed to be as attractive.

And the stadium DOES matter for sponsors I dont care what anyone says they look to the overall image


When we signed the Warrior deal it was the record or close to it and we were not even in CL. Now a new level has been reached and our next deal will be much higher than our current one, which in turn will further drawf the match day revenue. Of course this you won't notice as you are only interested in more seats so that ticket price will end up going down due to bigger offer.


Well it will have to be more than utd then as there not in the CL either looking forward to this 80 mil plus kit deal we should get based on your reckoning


Decisions are not taken based on one season results if you could understand this. We will definitely have a bigger deal if we are regularly better than them and we win the EPL/CL a few times in the next few years. They have had regular success over the last 2 decades, thus have a much bigger fan base than us, thus getting huge sponsorship deals. Sponsors want to be linked with success and size of their target market with is more the millions of fans around the world than thousands going to the stadium.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Vish no Newcastle are not a bigger club than us. But for us tro exploit our popularity both locally and around the world we need a stadium to match our status. Had Manchester United not expanded capacity to 75k there is no way they would be the size they are today around the globe. The revenue at the gate is a small part of it if you were in China watching on TV which is the most impressive product old trafford or anfield ? And I know you will say success well we seem to be behind on that score as well revenue = success in modern football over the long term. The Newcastle analogy was a stupid one and you either dont get it or you are being obtuse.


I haven't read all the post beyond this one but in response to this, I don't think the size of the stadium helped MU become a bigger club than us. I think it was their sustained success on the pitch that made them a bigger club as they just happened to be winning things during the last 25 years whilst the nature of the game changed and became a lot more professional and global. If the game was like it is now in the early 80's whilst we were winning titles and trophies then we would still be a much bigger club. Sustained success on the pitch in a globally advertised league has helped MU to where they are currently at in regards to size. Just my opinion.

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Originally Posted By: sixtiesred
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Manure stuff
No limit to Reds commercial gain; now for squad renewal

It in every sense an extraordinary deal. Some 13 years after Manchester United first hooked up with Nike, executive vice chairman Ed Woodward has brokered a shirt manufacturing contract with adidas that is worth at least £750 million to the club by 2025. Possibly substantially more. It is a deal that underlines United’s enduring global appeal despite the damage inflicted both by David Moyes and the Glazer family’s ownership. Now, supporters trust, Woodward will flex United’s commercial muscle once again – to deliver big name signatures on the pitch that lead the club’s revival.

The adidas numbers are, indeed, truly staggering – a deal that represents a three-fold increase on the contract United holds with Oregan-based Nike, and one that will add around 40 per cent to the club’s bottom line from June 2015. Or, in other words, a material impact on United’s finances at a time when lack of Champions League football has left a £40 million black hole.

The American company claimed last week that spending some £75 million each season does not represent “good value” for Nike’s shareholders. adidas’ rejoinder was dramatic – CEO Herbert Hainer claiming that the German company expects “total sales to reach £1.5 billion” over the decade-long contact. It is a boast that supports Woodward’s decision to play a stark game of brinkmanship with a clutch of global kit manufacturers as Nike’s contract ran down.

Indeed, in the global battle for sportswear supremacy United is a pawn set to profit handsomely. In fact so large is the new contract that revenue from adidas in 2015/16 will exceed the £64 million United received from the Premier League broadcast pool last season, making the kit deal the single most important source of ongoing income.

And when put in the context of both United’s historical kit deals, and the global market, Woodward and his commercial team has broken new ground. The total value of Nike’s then record-breaking £302.9 million contract, signed in 2002, has been more than doubled. Meanwhile, United’s new deal outstrips those of rivals Real Madrid, Barcelona and Liverpool by more than £40 million per season.

Or to put the numbers into context, the £75 million that United will receive from adidas is only just shy of the turnover Sunderland and Aston Villa posted in 2012/13. United’s three principal sponsors alone – Adidas, Chevrolet and Aon – will generate income in excess of 14 rival Premier League clubs.

Such is the impact that it is no stretch to argue that Woodward’s commercial strategy has reinvented how many clubs look at monetisation. Just hours after United announced adidas as a record sponsor, the club paraded Japanese noodle firm Nissin as a regional partner, adding to the multi-year sponsorship deal with Korean Pharmaceutical company Cho-A Pharm, reported in June.

In April it was a partnership with curry firm Ottogi and one with Asian confectionery company EuroFood. And in 2013 “Personal Care and Laundry Partner” Unilever was brought on board, along with tyre manufacturers Apollo and Federal Corporation. The club has held longer relationships with Kagome, Bulova, Bwin, Casillero del Diablo, Singha, Aeroflot, Aperol Spritz, Epson, Yanmar, Kansai, and a string of regional telecoms companies.

Each is a smaller, but cumulatively lucrative, junior partner to the world-best £53 million-a-season contract signed with principal shirt sponsor Chevrolet last year that has helped to drive United’s commercial income way beyond £150 million per year.

The new income will help to fill some of the void left by the lack of Champions League this season, which leaves the club short of matches, prize money and likely short-changed by special covenants on some of its commercial arrangements.

Yet, supporters have long-held the view that money – to bastardised Sir Matt Busby – is far better spent on the pitch than sitting in the bank; and certainly nowhere near the Glazer family’s pockets. It is a view held in tandem with the suspicion that Woodward is far better at signing sponsors than he is navigating the European transfer market for new players.

This charge has only partly been rectified by the £100 million acquisitions of Juan Mata, Ander Herrera and Luke Shaw over the past six months. After all, long remain the memories of summer 2013 that brought mirth to rivals, embarrassment to United, and Marouane Fellaini to a level beyond his limited ability.

This summer, with Louis van Gaal arriving at Carrington on Wednesday after a successful World Cup with Netherlands, is billed as one of renewal. Herrera and Shaw will add silk and steel to United’s midfield and defensive resources, but popular opinion still has it that United is some way short of rivals both home and abroad.

It is an observation that leaves van Gaal seeking, perhaps, another four high quality reinforcements, while more than half-a-dozen players will be removed from the club if suitable buyers can be found. Certainly none of United’s expenditure this summer – if Woodward can pull off the deals – is likely to be at the bottom end of the market, reversing years of relative parsimony under the Glazer regime. In spectacular fashion at that.

The Dutchman is believed to be after an experienced central defender – with Rio Ferdinand and Nemanja Vidić having left Old Trafford in May – a box-to-box midfielder, and a sprightly winger. Anderson and Bébé will certainly go, while none of Nani, Shinji Kagawa, Darren Fletcher, Javier Hernández, Ashley Young, Tom Cleverley, Wilfried Zaha, Chris Smalling nor Fellaini are secure at Old Trafford.

Nor would many be truly missed. With no European football van Gaal need not work with the full 37-man first team squad he inherits, albeit one that includes half-a-dozen youngsters such as Will and Michael Keane, Jesse Lingard, James Wilson and Nick Powell.

Yet, thenew man has just a month until United’s first Premier League match against Swansea City on 16 August; just six weeks until the transfer window closes on 2 September. Enough time, one suspects, for Woodward to close yet another sponsor in a far-off land. Or, perhaps, to add the final touches to a squad that simply must finish in the Premier League’s top four if van Gaal is to retain his job – and the Old Trafford bean counters are to remain content.

Anything less is unthinkable. Then again, few thought United could extract more than £750 million from a kit supplier. Woodward, it seems, is now central to both goals.


http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/latest/no-limits-to-reds-commercial-gain-now-for-squad-renewal/?


Great deal they have brokered, still don't understand how Adidas were mugged like that, it's'about 2 times higher than current market deals, only reason I can think of is the period of the deal.

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