KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum For anyone that thinks Werner isn't interested...

every game is in need of a huge result, mate. just look at the forums after a draw. some fans have no common sense. a draw today would not be a bad result by a long way but granted a win would obviously be better.

as I have only just seen the original post and vid and not read any other posts my response might be a little off topic at the moment but here it is. mr wearner didn't promise anything he also didn't say things wont happen. in fact he didn't impress me or in fact leave me down beat. he answered like a politician and his quote of " football operations" just proves this is nothing but a business to him and not a job of love so his shanks reference really sticks in my throat.

we are judged on results not turnover or debt. if the team is doing well nither will the business. you don't need to be billionaire business man to know that..

Well it should be ! Or am I missing something ?

Not saying he should be sacked after not getting fourth this season but its a performance related job. Shows how expectations have been managed down we are treating champions league as a bonus rather than a requirement

Tom Werner works for John Henry his brief will be to make a profit for his speculator boss. Winning trophies will only be good so much as they meet the above. The two are not necessarily compatible there could be a situation where getting to the top of the league does not yield the highest profit

I disagree strongly Stanley! Perhaps your expectations have been managed, mine have not. I am not treating CL as a bonus, but at the same time, I don't think BR should be sacked if he doesn't achieve it in his 2nd full season, although I believe he will. He has had time to put his stamp on the team, and I expect us to improve a lot on last season, that for me is how he should be judged. If we fail to improve and close the gap on the title winners, then I think we should question Rodgers and FSG. However, if the gap between us and the title winners is halved this season, I think that shows a huge improvement.

I am most definately not aiming for a top 4 finish either. I have stated on several occassions that my aim for this season is top 3. I got laughed at several times, because people here believe that because we didn't sign Ronaldo and Messi, we haven't improved. However, if we land Sakho and Illori, along with Moses, we will have vastly improved in my opinion, and even if we get none of those players in, I still believe we have improved.

At the moment, we are looking handsome on the table, and I see no reason to complain.

I don't believe he should be sacked either marko and I said so in my post

I agree with you though we must show a tangible improvement on last season

Most definately.

I think the problem is there are always going to be those that only judge improvements on points, and those that take account of other factors...

People said that after last season BR wasn't a big loss, maybe just wait until January. We finished beneath the other top teams, and never made a good fist of the top 4...

Anybody that said that forgot about other facts... like that BR did have a shaky start, and that to get back within 12pts of 4th was actually pretty good going.

Or that we actually managed a similar defensive record to the previous season despite some obvious mistakes...

And that we were creating chances for fun, and scored over 20 more goals DESPITE being one of the least clinical teams.

I wish people would stop suggesting that anybody that actually does see progress has had their "expectations managed." Nobody wants to settle for anything less than challenging for the title in the near future...

It appears it only comes down to PATIENCE. Some people believe that Liverpool have a right to win all the time, some people want us to but are unwilling to wait around any longer, and others are happy for the current group to have another season and analyse progress then.

Interestingly, when I spoke at the start of the summer about BR, the majority were saying BR had to be judged and retained/sacked in January... Now everybody appears to thing BR isn't the problem and is actually doing a good job. At least the people that are willing to give the team time haven't changed their stance on the guy strategising the team!

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I would like to ammend this to winning the title! Feeling good!

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