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I disagree. Players like Gerrard and Suarez are tougher than you give them credit for, and players like Cruyff and Pele did fine with skill over power. Dalglish was hardly the most physically imposing player, but he did quite well in a very physical era of English football. Suarez grew up playing on the streets of Uruguay, and there is a very streetfighter quality to him. He's a strong player, and I think he would get just as many nutmegs and run circles by just as many people. To hurt him, they'd have to catch him.
You raise another point though. Players like Souness were absolutely filthy players (though great), punching people's lights out when they cameras weren't on them, but they didn't face the same level of scrutiny that players do now. They could hide from the officials and the cameras much easier. Imagine the sh*tstorm that would have caused today, when Suarez get's castrated by the media and banned for 8 matches for the bite that, while weird and low did very little physical harm. have to disagree your judging the likes of Gerrard and Suarez toughness in today's game which is totaly different as its a softies game now, you also mention Suarez can nutmeg back then but he would never get away with it back then, he may of got the ball past big Jack Charlton but there is no way he would go past too, another point there is no way Messi would be able to run with the ball like he does in today's game without the likes of Ron Harris, Norman Hunter or Tommy Smith snapping him in half. It's a good debate which has points for and against but for me the prayers of yesteryear would have more chance of adapting and being good in todays game than the players of today going back to proper football times. When Gerrard first started playing, the league was still very physical. I've never seen him or Carra back down from a tackle. I don't think saying that players couldn't run with the ball back then is fair either. Cruyff, Dalglish, Maradona, Pele, and many other players made their names out of skillful dribbling and clever skill rather than brute force, and lack of physicality didn't keep teams like Holland or Brazil from beating the pants off of England. Remember, Dutch total football was taking the world by storm, and Liverpool played pass and move, not punch and tackle. I agree to an extent that the game has lost something now that they are so strict about challenges, but from your comments, it sounds as though would be much happier watching boxing or MMA than football. dont know why your bringing up boxing as it had nothing to do with the discussion, I just prefer my football when it was a mans game that's all. I can't stand the way all these pansy players of today get pampered, they are protected from tackles, they are rested, get bowling greens to play on and are treated like kings or queens in there cases. The stamina, fitness and strenghth of yesteryear players far outweighs today's players considering successful clubs players played 70 odd game seasons, played with injuries, had to endure pitches which sapped every ounce of energy,balls which felt like concrete to head and clubs not wiping there noses or ar*es for them everytime they sneezed. It's all realtive though. Whilst players did ssem to play more football back in the 'olden days' the game was slower and less demanding so they didn't need to be as fit. There is now way that the players of yesteryear were fitter than today's athletes. Back in the day, LFC players would turn up for european cup finals with hangovers and a lot footballers smoked and drinked regularly. That said, modern day footballers do come across as pampered pansies. Getting rid of gaily coloured boots would be a good start. If I ran a club it would be black boots only, and there'd be no pre-rehearsed goal celebreation routines or the players would get a smack in the mouth!
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It's really laughable how angry people get when they're asked to take the time to write in their native language correctly. Why should we bother having schools at all if no one wants to communicate coherently? Exactly have they no pride or respect for themselves I would be ashamed to write like that. I would not mind but I have been badgering cool on the difference between their and there for months. Did he not have an English teacher ? Rant over stanley mate if you carry on baiting people because of there spelling you will get reported, I personally think you have too much time on your hands to be so picky, so their, there, theire.
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You like reporting don't you cool ?
Anyway I will leave it but you are the loser not me. Every time you apply for a job or fill a form out. But it's your choice.
Discussion over
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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To be fair the whole point of language in the first place is to get your meaning across to others and if you can do that then that's all there is to it.
Having said that, Stanley does have a point in terms of the lowering of standards of native English speakers. I remember when I moved to England from abroad barely being able to speak the language and even in my first year at school my spelling was much better than most of the locals. It's not that I was any smarter than them, it just seems that they were too complacent.
Not sure what this has to do with football and liverpool though >.>
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Unbelievable now on this forum , we have had the benitez police,the mascherano police, the suarez police and now the most unbelievable the grammar police just amazing. !!!!!
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To be fair the whole point of language in the first place is to get your meaning across to others and if you can do that then that's all there is to it.
Having said that, Stanley does have a point in terms of the lowering of standards of native English speakers. I remember when I moved to England from abroad barely being able to speak the language and even in my first year at school my spelling was much better than most of the locals. It's not that I was any smarter than them, it just seems that they were too complacent.
Not sure what this has to do with football and liverpool though >.> i have not heard anything so ridiculous as pulling people up for spelling and gramma on a footie forum. We live in an age where all words are being shortened anyway especialy when texting, how exactly is it stopping people getting there points over if people can understand them anyway. It's a bit like Bob Paisley and Jack Charlton, they couldn't even get players names right yet the results they got proved it was no an issue, just putting a bit of perspective into things, anyway enough of the English posts.
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LFC - The 'most knowledgeable fans', except for when it comes to the basics of the English language. The occasional typo is fine - no one has a problem with that. I'm just glad that I don't have to debate in person with the likes of coolflames, faz or gnp-uk, as it appears that they can barely string a sentence together. My apologies if either of you are 11yr old girls, or nigerians.
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You like reporting don't you cool ?
Anyway I will leave it but you are the loser not me. Every time you apply for a job or fill a form out. But it's your choice.
Discussion over yes stanley I do like reporting, I was always against it but because of the way I have been treated over the years with people reporting me I decided not to argue back and risk being banned, far easier to just report, it's not very nice but some people feel they need protecting from some things which are said, if you can't beat them then why not join them is what I say.
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I disagree. Players like Gerrard and Suarez are tougher than you give them credit for, and players like Cruyff and Pele did fine with skill over power. Dalglish was hardly the most physically imposing player, but he did quite well in a very physical era of English football. Suarez grew up playing on the streets of Uruguay, and there is a very streetfighter quality to him. He's a strong player, and I think he would get just as many nutmegs and run circles by just as many people. To hurt him, they'd have to catch him.
You raise another point though. Players like Souness were absolutely filthy players (though great), punching people's lights out when they cameras weren't on them, but they didn't face the same level of scrutiny that players do now. They could hide from the officials and the cameras much easier. Imagine the sh*tstorm that would have caused today, when Suarez get's castrated by the media and banned for 8 matches for the bite that, while weird and low did very little physical harm. have to disagree your judging the likes of Gerrard and Suarez toughness in today's game which is totaly different as its a softies game now, you also mention Suarez can nutmeg back then but he would never get away with it back then, he may of got the ball past big Jack Charlton but there is no way he would go past too, another point there is no way Messi would be able to run with the ball like he does in today's game without the likes of Ron Harris, Norman Hunter or Tommy Smith snapping him in half. It's a good debate which has points for and against but for me the prayers of yesteryear would have more chance of adapting and being good in todays game than the players of today going back to proper football times. When Gerrard first started playing, the league was still very physical. I've never seen him or Carra back down from a tackle. I don't think saying that players couldn't run with the ball back then is fair either. Cruyff, Dalglish, Maradona, Pele, and many other players made their names out of skillful dribbling and clever skill rather than brute force, and lack of physicality didn't keep teams like Holland or Brazil from beating the pants off of England. Remember, Dutch total football was taking the world by storm, and Liverpool played pass and move, not punch and tackle. I agree to an extent that the game has lost something now that they are so strict about challenges, but from your comments, it sounds as though would be much happier watching boxing or MMA than football. dont know why your bringing up boxing as it had nothing to do with the discussion, I just prefer my football when it was a mans game that's all. I can't stand the way all these pansy players of today get pampered, they are protected from tackles, they are rested, get bowling greens to play on and are treated like kings or queens in there cases. The stamina, fitness and strenghth of yesteryear players far outweighs today's players considering successful clubs players played 70 odd game seasons, played with injuries, had to endure pitches which sapped every ounce of energy,balls which felt like concrete to head and clubs not wiping there noses or ar*es for them everytime they sneezed. Perhaps that is your opinion, however I have heard several footballers from the past say that todays players are far fitter due to the increased level of targeted training. Also keep in mind that back in the day, a lot of the teams were made up of part time footballers who trained maybe 3 or 4 times a week, not like today where they have 2 training sessions a day...
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To be fair the whole point of language in the first place is to get your meaning across to others and if you can do that then that's all there is to it.
Having said that, Stanley does have a point in terms of the lowering of standards of native English speakers. I remember when I moved to England from abroad barely being able to speak the language and even in my first year at school my spelling was much better than most of the locals. It's not that I was any smarter than them, it just seems that they were too complacent.
Not sure what this has to do with football and liverpool though >.> i have not heard anything so ridiculous as pulling people up for spelling and gramma on a footie forum. We live in an age where all words are being shortened anyway especialy when texting, how exactly is it stopping people getting there points over if people can understand them anyway. It's a bit like Bob Paisley and Jack Charlton, they couldn't even get players names right yet the results they got proved it was no an issue, just putting a bit of perspective into things, anyway enough of the English posts. Well my first and last statements kind of back up your case. I mentioned that as long as you get the meaning across it is ok and that spag has nothing to do with football. The middle bit just clarified my point of view that while I don't particularly get upset with people not being able to put a sentence together properly, I do not condone such barbaric behaviour :P
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