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I don't agree with you, on top of winning some trophies we were competing among the best going to Champions league final stages playing against the big clubs. It has really gone bad in the last few seasons and the drama is, nobody is convinced that we are getting out of the woods, yes some may be hopeful, but don't think anybody woukd put their own money on us winning the league in the next 5 years, not ever the big optimists, unless things change dramatically.

If you're saying all big clubs are only those that win the premier league title, then you're right NoMark One.

But they're not. It would be wrong to clasify Arsenal as anything other than a big club. Given that we've arguably had better/equal success as them over the last 5 years - while they finish higher in the league, we've done much better in the cups, despite the stadium situation, proves we are as big a club as them. I don't care for this big club melodrama anymore. I actually dislike coming on here. Not because of alternate opinions, only that people can't even explain their reasoning on why the think the way they do.

That you think the club is not big, proves you really don't understand the club at all, or you're trying to set the benchmark way too high.

On you thoughts, only City, Chelsea and Man Utd could be seen as big clubs. Because no other team has won the league recently, or looked like it.

But your whole argument on us being a smaller club is based on recent successes! So you're either choosing to under-exaggerate our own, over-exaggerate theirs, or just pick and choose when you apply it. A stadium doesn't win a title. Players do, and right now, Arsenal have continued to be off the pace for more than 5 years, in a period where we have actually finished runners-up. You can't just pick and choose when to apply the principle. It undermines all the points you're making.

I think that the top 7 clubs are big clubs. Your comments suggest otherwise - in that finishing runners-up is not good enough. Which Arsenal are the same as us. I am saying you are being hypocritical by suggesting that because there are mitigating circumstances elsewhere meaning they can't be as competitive as they could be right now, but when it comes to us, you're choosing to over-look it. It's a point which you've made two stances on. One for us, and one for them.

you are not seriously comparing us to the best run club in the world are you, if you are you need to be fair and take things into consideration. Arsenal only won the League two seasons before us in Istanbul, they then won the F.A.Cup the next season, they moved into there new stadium in 2006 have paid it off and at the same time managed to play Champions League every season which is absolutely astonishing taking into account they have regularly sold there best players every season. What you have to remember is Arsenal were probably the best side in the country before they started paying for there stadium and now that it's paid for there is no reason it won't happen again, please don't compare us to Arsenal as its a joke, they have not won things recently but there have been mitigating circumstances for that.

Good comments re: Arsenal. It amazes me how Arsenal fans are unhappy - many even want Wenger out!. These people are clueless beyond belief. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they won the league again within the next couple of years.

I think Arsenal should have changed managers a while ago if they weren't happy waiting to see them challenge again, because I think he has made some questionable decisions in terms of signings and choosing to continually over-look weaknesses that many fans have seen for years.

That being said, I don't believe he is not a great manager. I think he has done a good job these last few years, even if I think someone else could have done better. They could well win the league again after they've finished paying for the stadium, because they'll be on sound footing to spend big on players that will directly improve them.

Wenger is a manager that would greatly benefit any club as their manager. Arsenal are in a great position now. I think if they sign Higuain, then that'll give them great options. Giroud was over-looked despite impressing (even if not consistently). I still feel they need a centre-midfielder. If Fellaini, as has been rumoured, is a player they can get, my opinion on where they'll finish would change significantly. Sometimes the small-step to fight for the title, is made by the big investment in one season investing in first-teamers.