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I don't know, maybe you are right, but I hope you are not. Despite some of arsenals best players leaving they still managed to win the title more recently than us and gave Bayern Munich a good run for their money in the CL this season...
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Hey all,
Just wanted to take a quick look at te apparent change in our transfer strategy an whether it is a plausible and good idea.
Looking back 2,3 even 4 windows ago, we have had a tendency of going in for weak clubs or relegated clubs star players, for example, Joe Allen, Charlie Adam, reported interest in Ince, Clint Dempsey, Konchesky, Jovanovic etc.
Lately, or more accurately in the last window, we seem to have made a shift towards towards buying top clubs bench warmers and might I added with great success. Herein might lie a secret to another successful transfer window.
Firstly, players who aren't playing regularly are not priced as high as those who do and before anyone says " that's because they aren't as good", I ask you to take a look at how well young Coutinho and Danny have performed. If we take a look at the benches of some of the top clubs around Europe I believe there are some real bargain buys to be found. The likes of Paco Alcacer, Kolarov etc.
What are your thoughts? Do you think this is a coincidence or do you believe FSG and BR have intentionally made this switch in emphasis? Whatever it is, I like it and think it bodes well for our future.
Ok haven't read your entire post but just wanted to point out that Swansea and Joe Allen finished 11th so I disagree already on that point. Il continue to read it all now  Yes they finished 11th...where did they finish the previous season? Was Joe Allen one of their star players? Are they deemed a strong club in world football terms? Get my point...they are a weak team... Yes, werent in the PL the season before, yes he was, theyre not deemed a weak club, nope still dont get the point.
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Of course they are a weak club when compared to Inter, United, Real, Bayern.... The point is I think we have something good developing as far as our transfer strategy is concerned...
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I'm reading and hearing that there will be quite a few players leaving in the upcoming window to generate a rather hefty kitty, will all funds being reinvested in the team plus an additional 20-25 million from FSG. Now thinking of possible outs:
Downing
Shelvey
Reina
Skrtel
Carroll
Spearing
Coates
I think these players could bring in about 55 million...
Looking at the fact that we have no European football I am wondering how big a squad we need...thts 7 possible outs...55 million plus 25 from FSG would put us at 80 million..if we spend thos 80 million on 2-3 top players at 20 mil each and get another 3 for 7 mil each o think we could find ourselves with an extremely strong squad next season.
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What about Carragher, Gerrard, Giggs, Messi etc... Messi was at barcelona before the became the dominant force in football, and he stayed, Carra and Stevie knew they would probably never win the PL with us but they stayed... Some will stay and some will go...and who's to say we wont be challenging for trophies? is there an age limit for winning trophies? Do the players have to be over 28 or something?
No, there isn't. We can challenge for a trophy with a young squad just the same as we can with an older one. Age makes no difference if the player is good enough. If we get 2-3 more like Coutinho and Sturridge, I see no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for trophies... Common mate, don't say anything to reinforce your view, if you are at Barca, to which bigger club would you wish to go, how can you compare that to the current LFC? Talking about JC and SG, especially SG as I am not aware of any big clubs wanting to buy JC, he is a scouser in the blood, and despite that, he almost moved to Chelsea, I even think he would have gone if it was the current LFC, with almost no hope of winning the league. Now if you really think that we will be competing to win the title next season with 2 new young players costing 20m, I would love to have your optimism. Regarding the FA and League cups, a lot of people here don't consider them as trophies. Ok, valid points Vish...I dont think we will be competing for the title, but IF...and I repeat...IF we get 2-3 players of the Coutinho, Sturridge mould, young and quality, I see no reason why we shouldn't compete for top 4 and have a good cup run and perhaps win one of the cups. Now, if we do manage to get top 4, do you not believe it is an incentive for the youngsters to stay at LFC and get european gametime..If they move on to the likes of BArca and Real, they will probably be sitting on the bench, just like Cesc. I think the key for us to hold onto these promising young players is to get CL football within the next 2 seasons. If we can manage that, there is no reason why these players would want to leave... Have been watching players wanting to leave Arsenal for a number of years, don't know why it would be any different with us. Good players want to earn a lot of money and win big trophies, this is what modern football is all about and this is how Chelsea and then City have been able to attract and keep the biggest players despite being small clubs history wise. It is easier in Germany where bar Bayern Munic, it is more or less a level playing field for a number of clubs, while in England, it has become a big 4 league (United, Chelsea, City , Arsenal). To break into that group you will need major investments in the club. I agree vish, Arsenal have followed the same type of policy in order to pay off their great new stadium, through brilliant management they stayed in the CL year after year, won nothing over a decade! and were forced to lose their best players but did at least achieve their goal of paying off their stadium. However it's a moot point what FSG are trying to achieve with a similar policy, its not to pay off a brand new stadium, as Arsenal were doing, nor can it be to pay for a mickey mouse redevelopment of Anfield, sponsorship and marketing in one or two seasons will do for that. So why are they using this particular policy then, if not for profit taking down the road? If it were to win things as they said, then the best way to ensure that objective is to buy quality PL ready players, not by speculating on lots of potentials and waiting years hoping they're not poached off as they show signs of developing into top quality players, assuming they ever do develop into top quality players. The policy in the context of where LFC is at makes no sense unless as an owner you're skint, or you're planning to sell on at a profit. They say they're not skint so its not unreasonable to suggest they're out to make a profit from buying cheap and selling on for maximum return on investment, as is often said in their defense they're business men.
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But is Coutinho not proof that you can get PL ready players for cheap...Sturridge as well? Would you rather that we spent 25 mil on Sneijder?
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But is Coutinho not proof that you can get PL ready players for cheap...Sturridge as well? Would you rather that we spent 25 mil on Sneijder? That represents a 50% success rate for Rodgers so far, given that we need by his own reckoning 3/4 more "quality" players that would imply he has to sign 6/8 in this summer window. That's a scattergun approach forced on him by the 'potentials' policy. Does it make sense to buy 8 players @ 12m each or 4 @ 25m each? my argument is that the 25m proven players are much more likely to give you more than the 8 @ 12m will give you.
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But is Coutinho not proof that you can get PL ready players for cheap...Sturridge as well? Would you rather that we spent 25 mil on Sneijder? That represents a 50% success rate for Rodgers so far, given that we need by his own reckoning 3/4 more "quality" players that would imply he has to sign 6/8 in this summer window. That's a scattergun approach forced on him by the 'potentials' policy. Does it make sense to buy 8 players @ 12m each or 4 @ 25m each? my argument is that the 25m proven players are much more likely to give you more than the 8 @ 12m will give you. It could represent a 50% success rate...it could also represent a 100% success rate if he changed his approach in january...it depends on a lot of factors, but making the assumption that he will get 1 out of every 2 right is bias. if we start from scratch...we might as well asume he will get 4 out of 4 right... he bought 2 players in Jan and both have performed far above expectation...
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But is Coutinho not proof that you can get PL ready players for cheap...Sturridge as well? Would you rather that we spent 25 mil on Sneijder? That represents a 50% success rate for Rodgers so far, given that we need by his own reckoning 3/4 more "quality" players that would imply he has to sign 6/8 in this summer window. That's a scattergun approach forced on him by the 'potentials' policy. Does it make sense to buy 8 players @ 12m each or 4 @ 25m each? my argument is that the 25m proven players are much more likely to give you more than the 8 @ 12m will give you. It could represent a 50% success rate...it could also represent a 100% success rate if he changed his approach in january...it depends on a lot of factors, but making the assumption that he will get 1 out of every 2 right is bias. if we start from scratch...we might as well asume he will get 4 out of 4 right... he bought 2 players in Jan and both have performed far above expectation... Ha, ha, if they performed far above expectation, he wouldn't have changed his approach, it would mean he just got lucky with a couple of potentials! That the kind of thing that happens with selling clubs, they buy lots of potentials, and every now and then they hit on a gem or two, it's the exceptions that prove the rule, and the rule is that quality costs, regardless of the odd exception.
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I don't think you understood...We might have changed our approach just prior ti the January window...hence Sturridge And Coutinho could present a 100% hit rate. Of course there will be sone hit and miss but price by no means guarantees success. Look at Veron, Anderson, Bebe, Fabregas.. Do you know what their fees were? I would much rather we took an 8 million gamble on a youngster warming the bench at one of the big clubs than a 30million gamble like we did with AC or united did with Veron...
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