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I think that you are using coincidental examples. I am talking about an actual strategy where it seems that we are only buying players that we can make a profit on. A club that is trying to win things will look for the most effective player first & foremost. His resell value several years down the line shouldn't even be a consideration. You're assuming we're buying to sell - I haven't seen one bit of proof to back this up though.
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Hey all,
Just wanted to take a quick look at te apparent change in our transfer strategy an whether it is a plausible and good idea.
Looking back 2,3 even 4 windows ago, we have had a tendency of going in for weak clubs or relegated clubs star players, for example, Joe Allen, Charlie Adam, reported interest in Ince, Clint Dempsey, Konchesky, Jovanovic etc.
Lately, or more accurately in the last window, we seem to have made a shift towards towards buying top clubs bench warmers and might I added with great success. Herein might lie a secret to another successful transfer window.
Firstly, players who aren't playing regularly are not priced as high as those who do and before anyone says " that's because they aren't as good", I ask you to take a look at how well young Coutinho and Danny have performed. If we take a look at the benches of some of the top clubs around Europe I believe there are some real bargain buys to be found. The likes of Paco Alcacer, Kolarov etc.
What are your thoughts? Do you think this is a coincidence or do you believe FSG and BR have intentionally made this switch in emphasis? Whatever it is, I like it and think it bodes well for our future.
Ok good post and I agree with nearly all of it. Honestly not sure weather its a coincidence are not but your dead right in saying that these are the players that will bridge the gap to the top four. Another good example of this is Van Da Vaart who was a benchwarmer at Real Madrid but went to spurs and was a stand out performer in their race for the top four. I also agree that these players are often cheaper as the top clubs don't really give a sh!t about them and treat them as surplus to requirements. I'm not sure weather we will begin to start targeting these players but I genuinely hope we do because as I have said they are the players that will help us get to the top four. I also note that its generally attacking players who you want from these clubs and there is no problem going to a smaller club for defenders( I personally love Enrique and Johnson whom we signed form Newcastle and Pompey respectively) Also its important to note that we aim for young player who could do a job at top clubs like Coutinho and Sturridge and not those who are looking for a pay day like Bosingwa and Sneijder. As I say though, good post and I too share your enthusiasm!  [b][/b]
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I think that you are using coincidental examples. I am talking about an actual strategy where it seems that we are only buying players that we can make a profit on. A club that is trying to win things will look for the most effective player first & foremost. His resell value several years down the line shouldn't even be a consideration. You're assuming we're buying to sell - I haven't seen one bit of proof to back this up though. Read between the lines then. You won't SEE any proof 'yet' because no FSG signings have been here long enough to have developed into mature, quality players that have increased in value to the extent that they decide to cash in.
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What about Carragher, Gerrard, Giggs, Messi etc... Messi was at barcelona before the became the dominant force in football, and he stayed, Carra and Stevie knew they would probably never win the PL with us but they stayed... Some will stay and some will go...and who's to say we wont be challenging for trophies? is there an age limit for winning trophies? Do the players have to be over 28 or something?
No, there isn't. We can challenge for a trophy with a young squad just the same as we can with an older one. Age makes no difference if the player is good enough. If we get 2-3 more like Coutinho and Sturridge, I see no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for trophies... Common mate, don't say anything to reinforce your view, if you are at Barca, to which bigger club would you wish to go, how can you compare that to the current LFC? Talking about JC and SG, especially SG as I am not aware of any big clubs wanting to buy JC, he is a scouser in the blood, and despite that, he almost moved to Chelsea, I even think he would have gone if it was the current LFC, with almost no hope of winning the league. Now if you really think that we will be competing to win the title next season with 2 new young players costing 20m, I would love to have your optimism. Regarding the FA and League cups, a lot of people here don't consider them as trophies.
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I think that you are using coincidental examples. I am talking about an actual strategy where it seems that we are only buying players that we can make a profit on. A club that is trying to win things will look for the most effective player first & foremost. His resell value several years down the line shouldn't even be a consideration. You're assuming we're buying to sell - I haven't seen one bit of proof to back this up though. Read between the lines then. You won't SEE any proof 'yet' because no FSG signings have been here long enough to have developed into mature, quality players that have increased in value to the extent that they decide to cash in. Suarez.
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Hey all,
Just wanted to take a quick look at te apparent change in our transfer strategy an whether it is a plausible and good idea.
Looking back 2,3 even 4 windows ago, we have had a tendency of going in for weak clubs or relegated clubs star players, for example, Joe Allen, Charlie Adam, reported interest in Ince, Clint Dempsey, Konchesky, Jovanovic etc.
Lately, or more accurately in the last window, we seem to have made a shift towards towards buying top clubs bench warmers and might I added with great success. Herein might lie a secret to another successful transfer window.
Firstly, players who aren't playing regularly are not priced as high as those who do and before anyone says " that's because they aren't as good", I ask you to take a look at how well young Coutinho and Danny have performed. If we take a look at the benches of some of the top clubs around Europe I believe there are some real bargain buys to be found. The likes of Paco Alcacer, Kolarov etc.
What are your thoughts? Do you think this is a coincidence or do you believe FSG and BR have intentionally made this switch in emphasis? Whatever it is, I like it and think it bodes well for our future.
Ok haven't read your entire post but just wanted to point out that Swansea and Joe Allen finished 11th so I disagree already on that point. Il continue to read it all now  Yes they finished 11th...where did they finish the previous season? Was Joe Allen one of their star players? Are they deemed a strong club in world football terms? Get my point...they are a weak team...
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I think that you are using coincidental examples. I am talking about an actual strategy where it seems that we are only buying players that we can make a profit on. A club that is trying to win things will look for the most effective player first & foremost. His resell value several years down the line shouldn't even be a consideration. You're assuming we're buying to sell - I haven't seen one bit of proof to back this up though. Read between the lines then. You won't SEE any proof 'yet' because no FSG signings have been here long enough to have developed into mature, quality players that have increased in value to the extent that they decide to cash in. Except Torres and we know what happened. A 40m offer coming for Suarez this summer would be a good test case. I say let's wait and see before confirming.
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I think that you are using coincidental examples. I am talking about an actual strategy where it seems that we are only buying players that we can make a profit on. A club that is trying to win things will look for the most effective player first & foremost. His resell value several years down the line shouldn't even be a consideration. You're assuming we're buying to sell - I haven't seen one bit of proof to back this up though. Read between the lines then. You won't SEE any proof 'yet' because no FSG signings have been here long enough to have developed into mature, quality players that have increased in value to the extent that they decide to cash in. Interesting point and it is only a view. equal arguments from both sides on this. Personally I think they have a plan for us to grow and seem to be sticking to it. The model you refer to is that of Dortmund, they continually sell thir best players yet have made the champs league final after winning two consective titles - not such a bad philospohy as long as the money goes into the team.
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What about Carragher, Gerrard, Giggs, Messi etc... Messi was at barcelona before the became the dominant force in football, and he stayed, Carra and Stevie knew they would probably never win the PL with us but they stayed... Some will stay and some will go...and who's to say we wont be challenging for trophies? is there an age limit for winning trophies? Do the players have to be over 28 or something?
No, there isn't. We can challenge for a trophy with a young squad just the same as we can with an older one. Age makes no difference if the player is good enough. If we get 2-3 more like Coutinho and Sturridge, I see no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for trophies... Common mate, don't say anything to reinforce your view, if you are at Barca, to which bigger club would you wish to go, how can you compare that to the current LFC? Talking about JC and SG, especially SG as I am not aware of any big clubs wanting to buy JC, he is a scouser in the blood, and despite that, he almost moved to Chelsea, I even think he would have gone if it was the current LFC, with almost no hope of winning the league. Now if you really think that we will be competing to win the title next season with 2 new young players costing 20m, I would love to have your optimism. Regarding the FA and League cups, a lot of people here don't consider them as trophies. Ok, valid points Vish...I dont think we will be competing for the title, but IF...and I repeat...IF we get 2-3 players of the Coutinho, Sturridge mould, young and quality, I see no reason why we shouldn't compete for top 4 and have a good cup run and perhaps win one of the cups. Now, if we do manage to get top 4, do you not believe it is an incentive for the youngsters to stay at LFC and get european gametime..If they move on to the likes of BArca and Real, they will probably be sitting on the bench, just like Cesc. I think the key for us to hold onto these promising young players is to get CL football within the next 2 seasons. If we can manage that, there is no reason why these players would want to leave...
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What about Carragher, Gerrard, Giggs, Messi etc... Messi was at barcelona before the became the dominant force in football, and he stayed, Carra and Stevie knew they would probably never win the PL with us but they stayed... Some will stay and some will go...and who's to say we wont be challenging for trophies? is there an age limit for winning trophies? Do the players have to be over 28 or something?
No, there isn't. We can challenge for a trophy with a young squad just the same as we can with an older one. Age makes no difference if the player is good enough. If we get 2-3 more like Coutinho and Sturridge, I see no reason why we shouldn't be challenging for trophies... Common mate, don't say anything to reinforce your view, if you are at Barca, to which bigger club would you wish to go, how can you compare that to the current LFC? Talking about JC and SG, especially SG as I am not aware of any big clubs wanting to buy JC, he is a scouser in the blood, and despite that, he almost moved to Chelsea, I even think he would have gone if it was the current LFC, with almost no hope of winning the league. Now if you really think that we will be competing to win the title next season with 2 new young players costing 20m, I would love to have your optimism. Regarding the FA and League cups, a lot of people here don't consider them as trophies. Ok, valid points Vish...I dont think we will be competing for the title, but IF...and I repeat...IF we get 2-3 players of the Coutinho, Sturridge mould, young and quality, I see no reason why we shouldn't compete for top 4 and have a good cup run and perhaps win one of the cups. Now, if we do manage to get top 4, do you not believe it is an incentive for the youngsters to stay at LFC and get european gametime..If they move on to the likes of BArca and Real, they will probably be sitting on the bench, just like Cesc. I think the key for us to hold onto these promising young players is to get CL football within the next 2 seasons. If we can manage that, there is no reason why these players would want to leave... Have been watching players wanting to leave Arsenal for a number of years, don't know why it would be any different with us. Good players want to earn a lot of money and win big trophies, this is what modern football is all about and this is how Chelsea and then City have been able to attract and keep the biggest players despite being small clubs history wise. It is easier in Germany where bar Bayern Munic, it is more or less a level playing field for a number of clubs, while in England, it has become a big 4 league (United, Chelsea, City , Arsenal). To break into that group you will need major investments in the club.
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