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I think it is unfair to alude to FSG not giving him much money. I think he has had a very, very generous budget. Granted they aren't throwing money at him, he has had plenty still. You can see why they wouldn't be as crazy as last year too.
Let's look at what has been spent (allegedly): £15mil for Allen, £12ish for Borini, £3ish for Assaidi, £12mil for Sturridge and £1ish for Yessil. Based on that, ~£43mil. He has balanced the books on wages, but hasn't exactly got massive transfer fees in from selling.
I actually looked at the fees reported for all Premier League teams and we are something like 5th highest spenders in last summer (net) and overall 7th or 8th highest spenders.
Agree with WNP's comment; need a class winger, another LB (if Robinson isn't getting a look in) and another CB would be good.
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We could do with a right winger but i think we lack that grit in the middle, we need a powerful midfielder that can break down the middle. Non of our centre midfielders have an ounce of pace, they get left behind by the speed of our wingers on the break. Gerrard 5 years ago had the ability to burst through the middle and tbf was deceivingly quick but the legs aren't there anymore.
Look at when we've been our most vunerable all season, being hit on the counter by Michu, Yaya, Nzonzi, Diame breaking from box to box.
I must say I'm happy with sturridge though just look at the option raw pace through the middle give us, sterling quick too but doesnt has that strikers eye for the run.
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Yep, I'd agree with most of that.
If them numbers are right, shows they're trying to get a hold of the bad contracts, and some of them they inherited. FSG are getting more stick than they prob deserve, and if BR finishes with more points, it justifies their decision to go the way they went. Loads of money doesn't = more points necessarily.
ohh and I'd throw in a top class ACM/playmaker type with your RW/CB/LB
Surly FSG can muster up 4 top players for Rodgers in the summer???
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I know fans have been crying out for FSG to splash the cash from day one with Rodgers, but I think it might be a blessing in disguise getting Rodgers to work under a budget for a season.
They threw money at KK and it didn't work. Misplaced trust which came back to haunt them. Whether people want to argue about it being their money or not is a different topic. Point is whoever's money it was, it was wasted!! That's it! Points total proved it! Throwing more money at it isn't necessarily going to fix it ... and lets face it ... they aren't "oil money rich"
(FYI it took Man City 3 seasons, throwing 100m+ at it before they made CL place for the first time ... just in case anyone forgot)
Asking Rodgers to work to a tight budget has put less pressure on him (and lowered our expectations) to be able to work with the squad. Imagine if BR had of spent KK type money and it didn't quite work out as well as hoped?! We'd be jumping all over him, wanting him sacked ... expecting top 4 straight away, another manager within a season and all the player in's & out's that go with it. Embarrassing !!!!
What BR looks like he's going to achieve his season (currently looks on target) is finish in or around the same points total, if not better than Rafa's last season(58) KK one full season(52) and all working with a nothing budget, a very thin, young squad, playing attacking, passing football. Also over hauling the whole philosophy and mentality of the club.
With no Maxi, Beller's, Kuyt, Carroll, Torres for example! KK had no European football to worry about. Which really shows how poor a job Rafa & KK did, or how well Rodgers is doing, or a mix of both.
A season of (probably much needed) cost cutting and trying to get our house in order by FSG, should see us in a much stronger position than ever, to be competitive in the longer term.
I think FSG will back Rodgers now we don't have bit part players on huge contracts (which they inherited a lot of) Andy Carroll being the only possible problem this summer
Over all I think Rodgers deserves much more credit than he's been getting generally, and maybe even FSG deserve some, I suppose we'll see come the summer.
YNWA I hope you're right but one thing I'm worried about is that when we do get new players in, that are above our current standard, then I don't think players like Sterling/Suso would be too happy going from being regular first teamers to sitting on the bench or not even making the squad most weeks. In my view, both of them are too young to start but have to be regulars due to our thin squad. If we were to get new blood in that would go ahead of them, do you think they'd be happy to fight for their place or just expect it?
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If Sterling is not prepared o fight for his place then he can get lost! The Team always comes first.
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If they don't then I doubt they would be around for too long.....look at Downing since he got kicked in the a$se!
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I hope you're right but one thing I'm worried about is that when we do get new players in, that are above our current standard, then I don't think players like Sterling/Suso would be too happy going from being regular first teamers to sitting on the bench or not even making the squad most weeks. In my view, both of them are too young to start but have to be regulars due to our thin squad. If we were to get new blood in that would go ahead of them, do you think they'd be happy to fight for their place or just expect it? [/quote]
If we retain Euro football again, we'll have 4 comps to play in next season, I'm sure that's loads of football for 19 year olds braking into the team, they're getting more football than most their age, and at the top level.
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Suso has hardly played don't think he's ever played a full 90 mins.. He does look a threat even though he's been playing on the outside on the inside if that makes sense.. He really is a straight 10 but being played as a false 10. Sterling has played 26 games or thereabouts and constantly finshes 90 mins... Can't compare the 2 really... I feel that Sterling would benefit from having the same amount of game time that Suso gets... Borini and Sturridge SHOULD start in front of them.. They have been more prolific during their careers.. The last thing we need is to overplay the youngun's look what history has told us... Owen played 300 odd games prior to his 21st birthday then what happened? His hamstrings went and he was never the same.. The jury is very much out on Sterling.. John Barnes he aint... Jermain Pennant more like it... 
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It's not an easy one and I have to admit to wanting millions thrown at it early on but no longer. The criteria for me is if Rogers can deliver where we should be, with what he have therefore that should mean he gets more backing. If he doesn't at season end then he isn't the right manager. With the team we have now (including Sturridge) any lower than a 6th place finish for me doesn't cut it.
The only problem with not throwing huge sums at it in the short term is though, that you risk losing the patience of players such as Suarez who can't be easily replaced if at all.
In regard to expenditure not necessarily equalling success OP, that is (over the long term) completely and utterly wrong.
Chelsea and City are the most successful current teams and they spend and have spent the most for many years now. United also spend just SFA knows it's better to buy the cream one at a time for top money and he has been proven right far more often than not with this plan.
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I know fans have been crying out for FSG to splash the cash from day one with Rodgers, but I think it might be a blessing in disguise getting Rodgers to work under a budget for a season.
They threw money at KK and it didn't work. Misplaced trust which came back to haunt them. Whether people want to argue about it being their money or not is a different topic. Point is whoever's money it was, it was wasted!! That's it! Points total proved it! Throwing more money at it isn't necessarily going to fix it ... and lets face it ... they aren't "oil money rich"
(FYI it took Man City 3 seasons, throwing 100m+ at it before they made CL place for the first time ... just in case anyone forgot)
Asking Rodgers to work to a tight budget has put less pressure on him (and lowered our expectations) to be able to work with the squad. Imagine if BR had of spent KK type money and it didn't quite work out as well as hoped?! We'd be jumping all over him, wanting him sacked ... expecting top 4 straight away, another manager within a season and all the player in's & out's that go with it. Embarrassing !!!!
What BR looks like he's going to achieve his season (currently looks on target) is finish in or around the same points total, if not better than Rafa's last season(58) KK one full season(52) and all working with a nothing budget, a very thin, young squad, playing attacking, passing football. Also over hauling the whole philosophy and mentality of the club.
With no Maxi, Beller's, Kuyt, Carroll, Torres for example! KK had no European football to worry about. Which really shows how poor a job Rafa & KK did, or how well Rodgers is doing, or a mix of both.
A season of (probably much needed) cost cutting and trying to get our house in order by FSG, should see us in a much stronger position than ever, to be competitive in the longer term.
I think FSG will back Rodgers now we don't have bit part players on huge contracts (which they inherited a lot of) Andy Carroll being the only possible problem this summer
Over all I think Rodgers deserves much more credit than he's been getting generally, and maybe even FSG deserve some, I suppose we'll see come the summer.
YNWA I disagree completely! Firstly, you are saying Rafa did a bad job but are judging him on 1 season...Secondly Kenny at least won us a trophy, something I don't see BR doing this season. Thirdly, you state Kenny didn't have any European football to worry about, however the stats and history show that teams playing 2 games a week, i.e. European football, have performed better in the league as well. I guess it keeps the whole team/squad/group sharper and match fit. So I think your post is a bit bias. I will give BR time and support but he does not fill me with confidence, and our recent decent run of form must not be over estimated as we had a rather easy fixture list. Let's see what we do in the coming weeks. The only point that I agree with in your post is basically that splashing more money at the problem would not have been the best solution...although it would have been a much needed and appreciated attempt.
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