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Next 5 games
West Ham (A)
Aston Villa (H)
Fulham (H)
Stoke (A)
QPR(A)
10-12 points would be a good return from these 5 games I think, especially as we will be missing Suarez for the West Ham game. These are the teams we should expect to beat, even W.Ham, at least 12 for me to show progress. For me we have still not shown proper progress so far as we got only 8 points in the last 5 games. 10 was the target. personally i'd be more inclined to judge progress by league position rather than points. if after these games we are in 8th, we are no better/worse than how we finised last season, higher than that and we'd be on course to finish higher than last (with a transfer window to come). not sure if others feel this way?
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the same West Ham who just beat Chelsea 3-1 and we are without Suarez? We also regularly struggle against Stoke.
I would be aiming to beat Villa, Fulham and QPR and stay unbeaten through the 5 game run If we cannot expect to beat a team that has just been promoted and took our reject almost free of charge because they had nothing like our transfer budget says a lot. Probably their manager is working miracles.
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Next 5 games
West Ham (A)
Aston Villa (H)
Fulham (H)
Stoke (A)
QPR(A)
10-12 points would be a good return from these 5 games I think, especially as we will be missing Suarez for the West Ham game. These are the teams we should expect to beat, even W.Ham, at least 12 for me to show progress. For me we have still not shown proper progress so far as we got only 8 points in the last 5 games. 10 was the target. personally i'd be more inclined to judge progress by league position rather than points. if after these games we are in 8th, we are no better/worse than how we finised last season, higher than that and we'd be on course to finish higher than last (with a transfer window to come). not sure if others feel this way? nope has to be judged points wise if your looking to see if we have improved as a team, progress can't be finishing higher in the table but more losses and draws not to mention less wins...
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I'd be happy for us to score more goals than last year, Redmen TV worked out that the last few Seasons 70 goals have pretty much given you a 4th place finish.
We need to score far more goals at a higher rate than we have so far.
As things stand were on course for what 50 odd goals? That ratio needs to improve by about 50% to give us any hope.
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So you're saying that they are not a good team? I hope our players show them a bit more respect than you have anyway and don't underestimate them.
Do you expect to beat them? Even if we had Suarez I wouldn't expect to beat them but I would class us as 50/50. Without Suarez it will be a lot tougher although I still think we can dominate the game but might struggle to have that cutting edge.
Considering with over 100 mil worth of buys last season we only managed to accumulate 1 point in these fixtures (swapping Bolton for West Ham) I don't expect a victory over all of them anyway
West Ham also had a net spend of 18mil not including Andy Carroll. We had a net spend of 20mil not including money recd for Andy Carroll. What is your point there exactly?
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So you're saying that they are not a good team? I hope our players show them a bit more respect than you have anyway and don't underestimate them.
Do you expect to beat them? Even if we had Suarez I wouldn't expect to beat them but I would class us as 50/50. Without Suarez it will be a lot tougher although I still think we can dominate the game but might struggle to have that cutting edge.
Considering with over 100 mil worth of buys last season we only managed to accumulate 1 point in these fixtures (swapping Bolton for West Ham) I don't expect a victory over all of them anyway
West Ham also had a net spend of 18mil not including Andy Carroll. We had a net spend of 20mil not including money recd for Andy Carroll. What is your point there exactly? Never said they were bad but we would be if we cannot expect to beat them, they just got promoted and we were 8th last year + we spent more than them re-inforcing shipping one of our players on loan because he was not good enough for us. Do you get the point?
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So you're saying that they are not a good team? I hope our players show them a bit more respect than you have anyway and don't underestimate them.
Do you expect to beat them? Even if we had Suarez I wouldn't expect to beat them but I would class us as 50/50. Without Suarez it will be a lot tougher although I still think we can dominate the game but might struggle to have that cutting edge.
Considering with over 100 mil worth of buys last season we only managed to accumulate 1 point in these fixtures (swapping Bolton for West Ham) I don't expect a victory over all of them anyway
West Ham also had a net spend of 18mil not including Andy Carroll. We had a net spend of 20mil not including money recd for Andy Carroll. What is your point there exactly? Never said they were bad but we would be if we cannot expect to beat them, they just got promoted and we were 8th last year + we spent more than them re-inforcing shipping one of our players on loan because he was not good enough for us. Do you get the point? If they are not 'bad' why does it make us 'bad' if we lose to them away from home and without suarez?
Last edited by Divide et Impera; 04/12/12 03:55 PM.
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So you do expect to beat them? Despite the fact that they just beat Chelsea 3-1 and had the same net spend as us and we are without our top scorer?
I don't get what relevance them loaning Andy Carroll has to anything? He wasn't going to fit into our plans and went to a team where the manager knows him well and they play a style far more suited to them?
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I think a point away to West Ham without Suarez wouldn't be a terrible outcome. A win would be fantastic, but if I'm honest, I think a draw is more likely.
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Next 5 games
West Ham (A)
Aston Villa (H)
Fulham (H)
Stoke (A)
QPR(A)
10-12 points would be a good return from these 5 games I think, especially as we will be missing Suarez for the West Ham game. These are the teams we should expect to beat, even W.Ham, at least 12 for me to show progress. For me we have still not shown proper progress so far as we got only 8 points in the last 5 games. 10 was the target. personally i'd be more inclined to judge progress by league position rather than points. if after these games we are in 8th, we are no better/worse than how we finised last season, higher than that and we'd be on course to finish higher than last (with a transfer window to come). not sure if others feel this way? nope has to be judged points wise if your looking to see if we have improved as a team, progress can't be finishing higher in the table but more losses and draws not to mention less wins... that makes no sense to me. taking your point here to it's logical conclusion would indicate that points tally is more important than league position? for example man utd won the league in 2000-01 with 80pts. we finished 2nd in 2008-09 with 86pts. which of those two things would you prefer joe? points count or the league position?
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