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Giving the ball away endlessly to the opposition is not creative.

Other players give the ball away more than Allen because they dont have his patience, ability or vision.

Central midfielders in Division 1 & 2 spend most of the game chasing the 2nd ball that breaks as a result of another hoof from their centre halves towards their centre forward.

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Crap defending and playing in red.


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true but there were not as many good sides in the division then and he was blessed with inheriting an outstanding goalscorer.

begs the question why did we spend 15m on allen when what we really needed was a goalscorer?


Allen was a signing we needed to make the midfield "tick" and to get the team to adapt to BR's style quicker.

He's a steal at 15m


£15m for someone to give the ball to the nearest person 90 times a game is £15m down the drain. I know Swansea fans, big Joe Allan fans, that think we paid 3 or 4 times too much for him. ANYONE could do what he does - the reason not many people do is because it's pointless and gets you nowhere.


You could argue that he's that good he make's it look easy. Also it's not so much what he does when he has the ball, it's also the movement and vision he has without the ball.
It sounds simple to pass the ball 5 yards and that's it but it's a lot more than that.


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Originally Posted By: Shaggydog
Giving the ball away endlessly to the opposition is not creative.

Other players give the ball away more than Allen because they dont have his patience, ability or vision.

Central midfielders in Division 1 & 2 spend most of the game chasing the 2nd ball that breaks as a result of another hoof from their centre halves towards their centre forward.


Spot on. I don't get all this Allen bashing at the moment. Some people are never happy. I know i'd rather a player that keeps the ball than one that just lumps it up field to try and 'create' something and loose it. What he does isn't easy. Just look at Spearing. He couldn't pass it to me if I was holding his hand.

Allen IS what we needed to make the midfield play the way Rodgers wants them to. Not a waste of money in my opinion.

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Each to his own I guess. Keeping the ball for the sake of it won't win games though - as the league table proves. For £15m, I'd expect a central midfielder to make a lot more incisive passes, tackle more often, set up and score the odd goal, win the odd header....but he does none of that. He's another massively over rated and massively over priced player. You can't tell me that we couldn't have got someone to do his job for £500k.

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Why didn't Spearing do it then? Henderson? You say anyone can do it so....

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Technically which is what Rodgers likes, he is quite good. However he doesn't play or attempt killer passes, I can't see him scoring a goal and he isn't a big tackler!

Maybe when Lucas is back we will see him shine abit further forward but for me Sahin is a much better player.

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His options to play the 'killer ball' have been limited due to his dm role and lack of 'killer' runs made ahead of him imo.


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Correct lumba. When Lucas is back and he's further up the pitch we'll see more from him.

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We nearly won the title under Evans so I don't know what your talking about when you say pretty but not effective under him.


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