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Can't say that I've heard any club can fully guarantee anything. They all say what they're aiming for but since when has any manager ever come out and tell there fans that top 4 or a championship medal is gauranteed?
After less than 10 games there is no way that Rodgers can tell you when the completion date as you put it would be, and tbh I've rarely heard anything so daft. Not even city had a completion date, even with there millions.
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Can't say that I've heard any club can fully guarantee anything. They all say what they're aiming for but since when has any manager ever come out and tell there fans that top 4 or a championship medal is gauranteed?
After less than 10 games there is no way that Rodgers can tell you when the completion date as you put it would be, and tbh I've rarely heard anything so daft. Not even city had a completion date, even with there millions. Pops I am not talking about any guarantees, where did I say that, I am talking about the targets that have been fixed and the milestones to reach those target just to know if we are on track. If FSG are the business people they are, this is one of the first things they would do. I am not even asking for the whole plan, only the main milestones. Are you happy with "Believe in us, things will improve, don't worry"? And I am sure that Chelsea and City had a plan of when to do what, in fact, Abramovich was unhappy that he did not win the Champions League as early as I think he planned. He also has a plan of the fan base he wants to have and by when. This is his business plan. Football Clubs are huge enterprises today and this is how businesses are run. I would say that our business plan is more similar to the Arsenal one, but I don't know what it is.
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Patience is good when you have the objective in mind else it's just being hopeful and living in a dream.
Like any project you need to have the completion date and to make sure that you are on the right track you need milestones. As clients (fans) we haven't been presented any neither by the manager nor the owner. Are we supposed to just believe that things will be better sometime in the future? Not for me sorry, I think LFC owes us a project plan at least including the stadium. That's right, expose the inner workings of the club! What business is it of anyone's outside the club what the goals are and when they should be achieved by? I'm sure the club has goals and approximate dates as to when to achieve them but it's the sort of thing that should be kept behind closed doors IMO! As a supporter I assume that the date of achievement of our goals would be the term of BR's contract. I'm sure between now and then he will have objectives to reach and if they aren't met then he would have to answer the questions of why! The club have stated that top 4 is not a goal this season and as Pops pointed out, when they did last season and it wasn't achieved, heads rolled. Give it time because we all know it won't just happen overnight!
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but since when has any manager ever come out and tell there fans that top 4 or a championship medal is gauranteed?
. Rafa benitez 2009-10
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Yeah, but what is the point of wanting to know this or that unless it can be gauranteed? Chelsea also blew a lot of money on reaching their goals, and if FIfa fair play was in they wouldn't have been able to do what they have, much like city.
Rodgers has said that its gonna take time to get things working the way he visions. Maybe when he's had enough time to see how the team reacts then he will give you a clearer idea of where we're going.
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And what happened when that was said? YES we fell away!
And that's why the club is now keeping things within.
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And what happened when that was said? YES we fell away!
And that's why the club is now keeping things within. Yes and this shows their confidence in what they are trying to do. When AlexF comes out and says he is sure he will be fighting to win both the League and Champions league, it shows how confident he is in his plan, doesn't mean he is guaranteeing anything (he was out of the Champions league early and did not win the title last year) but shows belief which makes players stronger in their mind. It's the YES WE CAN attitude. Not saying BR needs to say the same thing, but, if he is confident about his target I would think he should voice it out, else it looks like it's trial and error. Abramovich set his target to win the Champions league and everybody knew about it, everybody (Chelsea) was pushing in that direction until it was acheived. To succeed you need to have everybody believe in your target and in themselves else you have already lost before even starting.
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So what happens if united get knocked out first rond of the CL and get third in the league? Talk is cheap, I like how Rodgers is keeping it low.
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So what happens if united get knocked out first rond of the CL and get third in the league? Talk is cheap, I like how Rodgers is keeping it low. Talk about your objective is not cheap in modern management, unless you don't know what you want or you don't believe in it yourself.
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And what happened when that was said? YES we fell away!
And that's why the club is now keeping things within. Yes and this shows their confidence in what they are trying to do. When AlexF comes out and says he is sure he will be fighting to win both the League and Champions league, it shows how confident he is in his plan, doesn't mean he is guaranteeing anything (he was out of the Champions league early and did not win the title last year) but shows belief which makes players stronger in their mind. It's the YES WE CAN attitude. Not saying BR needs to say the same thing, but, if he is confident about his target I would think he should voice it out, else it looks like it's trial and error. Abramovich set his target to win the Champions league and everybody knew about it, everybody (Chelsea) was pushing in that direction until it was acheived. To succeed you need to have everybody believe in your target and in themselves else you have already lost before even starting. we don't know what is going on behind closed doors, though. rodgers could very well be telling the squad that top four could easily happen if they keep working. i am sure he is, even. i just think after the mess with kenny last year, he doesn't want a huge backlash if it doesn't happen. so, by keeping it between him and the squad, he saves himself from that.
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