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I think that FSG have muddied this issue with the sacking of Dalglish. I agree that progress should be the benchmark rather than a specific league position - but Dalglish being sacked puts the lie to that because although we didn't progress in the league we most certainly progressed in the cups, and coming from a position where we did neither for two seasons would suggest that Dalglish should have been given another season to reach top 4.

Which is why I'm leaning towards the idea that FSG did not believe Dalglish was the right man to work in their proposed new system (nor was Commolli), and that his results were therefore irrelevant. It implies that the standard by which the next manager is judged will not be the same as the standard by which Dalglish or even Benitez or Houllier were judged. So I agree that 4th isn't necessarily the target, and a failure to reach it would not necessarily be end of the new manager.

"The media" (them again!) reckon he went there with a back-me-or-sack-me ultimatum. That kind of arrogance wouldn't surprise me one little bit, although he was hardly in a position to call their bluff!

because we sacked the Kenny manager for exactly that reason, why would we sack Kenny then reduce expectations on the next manager? Kenny ticked all the boxes in terms of playing style etc but as you have said on many occasions his target was always 4th place or above - why are you changing your tune?

The new manager won't have 115mil to spend though so a new manager should easily be given 2 seasons with maybe a 25mil budget plus sales to work with in each season so that they have time to bring in their own players and implement their own playing style.

Kenny also had to sell to spend. He may have spent 115mil but in fact he re-couped 85mil of that so RM would get a similar amount 25-30mil net spend, a rather modest amount for a team which has ambitions of top 4.

The fact remains that he spent 115 million. the new manager won't be able to sell someone like a disgruntled Torres for 50million to boost their coffers.

i didnt say the money was spent well I said that the numbers will be about the same. Kenny brought in 8 new players for 115mill - averaging 14.3 mil a player, at a loss of 14 players. A new manager will probably need to move on a few and bring in a few so 30mil + sales of about 10mil = to 40mil spend and 13.3mil average spend per player. Not too dissimilar, the idea being that a new manager can get more out of what we already have - debate there alone. I would be amazed if our net spend exceeds 40mil this summer - yet lets be honest we need alot more!

kenny wasnt sacked because we didnt finish 4th. he was sacked beause we finished MILES off 4th. i strongly believe if we were to finish a few points off. kenny would still be in the job. 4th was the yard stick and kenny didnt even reach its shadow let alone reach the stick

Theres no comparison between the 2 though. Kenny spent almost 80 million on 3 players who haven't been very productive in terms of goals or assists. Now they might come good and I hope they will but last year they didn't and it was a team built by Kenny. A new manager will need to be able to build his own team and would presumably need 2 transfer budgets to achieve something approaching a team in his own mould with the funds he will have.

We would need more funds than are available but they won't be there this year and that's why a new manager will need at least 2 seasons before they can truly be judged

my argument is not about whther the money was spent well or not, quite clearly alot have failed. The amount available to any new manager is about the same. We do not need to get rid of 14 players - deadwood. We have far more in place because of Kenny than when Kenny took over so alot of the donkey work has been done.

I am not disputing whether he did a good or bad job. FSG felt he should have got 4th place or above why would they change the target now? it does not make any sense. They will expect any manager to mould the existing squad + a few additions into a top 4 side through better tactics/coaching/management etc, otherwise it was pointless replacing Kenny.