KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Attention Kenny out brigade!!

I've said before I have no problem with him going or staying, Stanley. I simply detest these wums who think that because we've done as badly as we can that we are the worst in the business and the same goes for the people at the club. That's utter bolx and you know know it. We're 8th in the league, with the Carling Cup and an FA Cup final under our belts. There are at least 12 other clubs in our division who wish they had it so good.

That is true but come on Thundyr we are not any club are we? or maybe now we are?

No we're not, but some people behave like we didn't change half our squad 9 months ago, like we still have Torres banging in 20 per season in the league, like we're still competing for the league title. A great deal of the criticism aimed at Dalglish's management is accurate, but there is also a lot of over the top nonsense by people not willing to consider that top 4 was never a realistic target despite the struggles of our rivals because the amount of change we made to the team would prevent us getting the required 70 points. Once we lost sight of that goal the players lost motivation, and I doubt there is a manager alive who could have turned our season around at that point - it's not like Newcastle, Spurs, Arsenal, and Chelsea all suddenly started losing a lot of games to let us back in. Despite that we still reached the FA Cup final. There was at least as much good that came out of this season as bad, but far too many people can't or refuse to see it.

As I've said before, if Dalglish stays he has to show that he's learned from what happened this season. If he shows instead that he hasn't, then he can f*ck off. But that's two "if"s right there, so let's all calm the f*ck down and see what happens over the summer, shall we?

I think 4th place was realistic with the investmernt. The problem was we wasted the investment. And whose fault was that? The three most important things a manager must do is get the tactics right, motivate the players and buy bthe right players.

And all this is so simple that everyone can do it? I disagree that investment alone is enough. You might not have noticed, but the value of our squad is not among the top 4 most valuable in the league, nor is our wage bill. So how do you justify your stance that we have enough money to compete monetarily?

I agree about buying the right players, but again, in general only half a manger's buys work out in the long term, so if we signed 9 players only 4 or 5 could be considered good. Most accept that Enrique, Suarez, and Coates look good, and that Carroll is looking more like a Liverpool player already - that's 4 in the first season alone. It doesn't matter what they cost - Fergusson has as many high price flops as the next man.

So that leaves only tactics and motivation. The former Kenny is rightly criticised for, so I won't go into that, and once a man's target is out of reach motivational speeches lose their effect.

Yes, we could have done better, but we know that because of the number of games we "should" have won, not the amount of money we spent. And if we "should" have won so many games based upon our actual play, then surely there is merit in this squad and in the methods of this manager, merit enough that he be allowed another season to address his tactical shortcomings?

Thundyr not really had Dalglish taken over say bolton yes i agree. but Liverpool were a top club with a squad to match. Not so many years ago this squad was in the champion’s league. Had be spent half that £35m on Carroll on a striker that could deliver it would have made a huge difference. And all this talk of Carroll with a couple of good performances is way over the top. How many EPL goals has he got 4? that is simply lamentable. If he is one for the future learning his trade then fine but what idiot thought to pay £35m which is the fee for an established world class player. Downing and Henderson £40m between them is also appalling judgement. Its not good enough and Dalglish is not good enough. He never was good enough and at 61 he is not going to learn particularly as he is arrogant and stubborn.

in the summer last year dalglish got rid of cole, aquilani,poulson,meireles etc etc spent millions on as he said his top signing to finish lower then the team of so-called crabs and fans back him , ok i dont think they could go down but i do fear for liverpool if dalglish and the present set up stays .

totaly agree fazakerley, I think if Dalglish stays in charge there is a real possibility we could go down next season, the form table does'nt lie and since January we have remained in the bottom three, there is absolutely nothing to suggest it will be any different next season with him in charge.

The form table doesn't lie, but you do. On form since the turn of the year, Liverpool have scored 18 points, one fewer than Stoke at 16th in the league. So actually we've not remained in the bottom 3, though we were there for some time. But let's not allow the facts to get in the way of our sweeping statements, shall we?

And Faz, Dalglish did not "get rid of" Cole and Aquilani - they're still on our books.

And Stanley, I don't know what team you were watching when Hodgson got the sack, but they were not the world beaters you suggest.

I really don't know what to say to you people anymore. We invested 35m in the squad - aka we added Andy Carroll to what Hodgson left behind. Say what you like about net spend, the value of the squad increased by Carroll's transfer fee. Compared with last season we slipped 6 points lower on the table, but won a cup and reached another cup final. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely nothing to suggest we will be relegated next season.

Get over yourselves. Dalglish had an average season in a league that was unexpectedly tight at the top (69 points required for a CL place!), and there were many factors out of his control, including the loss of Suarez for 8 matches due to a ridiculous ban from a trumped up charge.

Now maybe you expected us to win the league, because you carry on like the world has ended. I expected a top 4 finish, but the more I look at how the season has gone the more I think that we were never going to have enough fuel in the tank for that. We had too many changes to bed in, too many players losing form, Gerrard and Lucas each injured for half the season or more. I'm not trying to make excuses but once you've missed top 4 your league position is irrelevant if you've already qualified for Europe, so I expect there were motivation issues within the squad after the Arsenal loss - the players are still human, after all.

This season was bad - but I really don't think it was anywhere near as bad as you make out. Liverpool hasn't threatened top 4 since 09, so how is a mere 35m going to make us suddenly turn the corner when last season's top 3 each invested more, some up to 3 times that?

And don't come at me with the "Dalglish spent 110m!" story - I'm tired of it. If you sell 50m pounds worth of striker you lose that player's value as well as his goals. If you sell an entire squad for 100m and get another 35m on top of that from the transfer kitty, how much is your squad worth? That's right 135m. Not 135m MORE than it was worth before (because "the manager spent 135m!"), which is what all you people who dislike net spend fail to grasp every single time the argument comes up. Get a clue already!

I don't know whether sacking Dalglish will make us better next season. I expect the risk of bringing in a new manager (who may also want to sell the Aggers of the squad in order to buy more Poulsens) at least equals the risk of keeping the present one (who hopefully will not buy more Hendersons and Adams because of how well the present ones are working out). If Dalglish can learn from his mistakes this season we have no reason to be so negative, so let's see whether he's given the chance to do so and whether he chooses to take it.

If Dalglish is going to learn from his mistakes then his press announcements don't sound very promising. According to Kenny we are on track and doing great. Therefore no mistakes to learn from. Carry on Kenny