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if you have a point of few make it, you can do so without offending people who have a different opinion. thank you. smile


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Whoever thinks Dalglish should be sacked or should resign should be ashamed of themselves. After everything he's done, certain sections of "fans" are calling for his head.
He may have had a difficult campaign, but he's a good manager. One of the top 5 in the world. GIVE HIM TIME!!!

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i think we need to just be more respectful of each other, im not promoting him staying or going.


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calm down flames it was not meant to anyone on the forum

but take your point on board

MAJOR APOLOGIES TO ANYONE OFFENDED.

I have seen worse written on the forum

but respect the fact you have pulled me up.

no harm done

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Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Good points, but 1. Adam has better goals and assists stats than the other midfield signings and not much worse than our new striker (!!!) and was only 8 million. How you can think that makes him flop of the year is beyond me.


I do not think that Adam's assists tell the whole tale though, and it is interesting that both his goals were diverted into the opposition net via defensive errors rather than unfortunate deflections. I'm happy to agree that our midfield has for the most part been below par regardless of who we played, and that our decent run at the start of the season was almost certainly more due to the presence of Lucas than any other player we put beside him. I'd happily put the lot of them on the chopping block. For me though, the other players have shown they have something throughout the season - not much, perhaps, but something. Adam started well but within a month or so looked like he was struggling, and by the turn of the year was worse than dire. Kenny even gave him a second chance, but even he could only take so much of the attempted Hollywood ball or head down 40 yard dash method of midfield play.

Originally Posted By: bigredkop
and 2. You make too much of hitting the post, its easy to say imagine if we convert half of them, well sorry but life doesn't work like that, it is an off target shot. Means absolutely nothing for next season. It makes just as much sense to say what if we hit the post twice as much as it does to say we're gonna hit it half as much.


I agree with this. I was merely trying to illustrate the point that we've been that close to "true" top 4 form in terms of goalscoring that it shouldn't take an inordinate amount of work to improve our strike-rate. I didn't suggest we were successful, merely that in order to hit the bar 35 times (the vast majority of which where the keeper was beaten) we created on average one extra clear-cut goal scoring opportunity each game than we scored from. You have to be doing something right if you're doing that, and that's the bit I'm optimistic about.

Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Don't mean to rant at you because more realistically I do agree you would think (or certainly hope) we would convert more chances next season and chance creation on the whole has been quite good from the team, but hypothetically musing on suddenly converting a bucket load more chances doesn't equate to realistically predicting next season, what if we don't create as many chances?


smile This doesn't seem like a rant to me, mate. I wasn't trying to imply we're a great side - we're not, and our league position is proof. But we do have a little something that we can work on, the suggestion that this is an under-performing rather than rank rubbish squad.

Originally Posted By: bigredkop
Players like Henderson have been useless in cm as well as rw, downing useless for all but a handful of games, I know you think Carroll has been better for longer than I think he has so we will have to agree to disagree in his particular case but Kenny has shown a disastrous debut season with no where near enough evidence to strongly suggest he could turn it around. Thinking he could IS built up of as much hope as it is of actual evidence (not saying there is no evidence because there is in terms of some of our play, just saying its half and half with hope).


As I've said in other threads (and probably in this one, too lazy to check), Henderson's problem seems more to be with taking responsibility than playing in a specific position. He's been terrible when we've tried to use 2 holding midfielders, for instance, yet barring a goal-scoring mistake in his first attempt at the position has done a better job than Spearing (a more senior player with far greater experience) as a lone DM. He and Shelvey have to some extent shown signs of a partnership, even though I'm not convinced Shelvey is all that good as half of a double pivot midfield just yet because he's not got the defensive knack. None of this suggests Henderson is brilliant, of course, merely that he definitely has the potential to make something of a career in football if he can get his head right.

And yes, I like Andy Carroll, and have supported him from the moment we signed him because I think he has something about him that we've largely failed to unleash until recently. He took too long to adapt, but by the turn of the year when he was playing up front without Suarez (who was in the stands) he definitely started putting himself about more, and bit by bit became more confident etc. That I saw signs of that earlier than you is irrelevant - I think we agree that he's a good player we should keep.

Originally Posted By: bigredkop
This season all but Utd and City in terms of the top teams, have looked [oops] poor for long parts of the season, this was a fantastic opportunity to get top 4. Over 100 mill to bring in anyone but the very top players who wouldn't come. Teams vying for top 4 being sh!te. Momentum from belief following the run at the end of last season. You would certainly think top 4 will be much harder this season as more established teams with better managers consolidate their positions. Kenny looks clueless as to how to get their, what players to buy, when it was relatively easy to get 4th, let alone in a normal season (not all of this was aimed at you thundyr, some of it was just my thoughts on Kenny in general).


I think there has not been a single side in the EPL that has not looked p!ss poor at some point in the season. I agree that top 4 was eminently achievable for this squad, but that we managed to stumble about all the time without ever getting a handle on our best XI and our best tactic. And now at the death we find our best way of playing is 4-4-2 with Carroll and Suarez, a formation that we supposedly signed up for when we bought both of them 18 months ago but somehow never really tried for any period of time. THAT is down to one man alone - Kenny Dalglish. I don't mind whether he stays or goes, but if he stays he needs to show that he's learned from what happened this season.

Originally Posted By: bigredkop
As a further point, apparently (and I'm by no means saying its a definite) Skrtel is jumping ship now? if true he has no faith that the manager can do it, so why should we?


If he wants to play in the CL then let him find a CL qualified club who will sign him. He may struggle, because he still has the howler in him, but his actions remind me of certain other players who felt they had become bigger than the club. If he doesn't want to play for the red shirt he can f*ck off.

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Didn't want to quote every bit individually as it would be a whole page if I did that in response as we are both quite verbose :P

But again with the key points I think we agree. It's just little points I'd question. I personally haven't seen anything from Hendo bar 10 minutes of maybe 3 games, to make me think he has any more potential than Adam. Ofcourse I mean while in the red of liverpool as opposed to sunderland where for a young kid I thought he looked pretty damm impressive. Like I said I don't think Adam was right, and he is limited, but I actually think his assists goals (okay maybe some luck involved with them) and general play has been superior to downing and Hendo largely. By no means do I think it's been good. I just think Hendo has been like having 1 less player and Downing apart from a few games has been doing all the wrong things.

With regards to Carroll I didn't mean you saw signs earlier, I meant I don't think his performances at the turn of the year were good. They were better. But no where near anything I'd want a back up striker to be doing let alone our no.9. I have to say the last 2 games, fair enough, actually unplayable, and if he keeps that up I'll never have been so happy to be wrong about a player. But up until mayyyyybe 4 games ago (that he has played in) he has been for me, a [oops] poor striker, even if he has put himself about more. But like I said, if he keeps up the last 2 performances I'd more than happily buy him a pint or two by way of an apology for the grief I've given him up to now (although I don't think my wallet could cope with his supposed appetite for a drink :P).

And again I agree that there is something here. We have dominated a large number of our games and created enough good to great chances. That is the one thing that keeps me from thinking kenny is obviously 100 percent not the right choice. The fact that we have been a tad (not unlucky because I don't think such a consistent pattern can be down to luck or lack there of but a tad) off where our play might suggest we might be results wise (beginning to sound like an arsenal fan when I say that though frown )

Lastly, I do once again agree that if a player doesn't wanna be here then they can f off as the club is bigger. But there comes a time when you have to try and keep your better players otherwise you aren't gonna get anywhere. Skrtel is not in that category, and also there may be no truth at all in the Skrtel rumour. But we have to start keeping our better players.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I think it’s fair to say very few Liverpool fans are happy with the current status of the club. People are divided on whether Kenny should stay or go this close season the pro Kenny group I might suggest are mainly in the doubter camp but prepared to give him another season.

This is why I believe this close season is the appropriate time.

Firstly my judgement is that he was not the owners choice initially he was forced upon them by circumstances prevailing at that time and to a certain extent for PR reasons.

The standards we have achieved are not those expected of Liverpool football club nor have the very expensive (above market value) signings delivered and at least half look like they never will.

Were we to persist with Dalglish what would be the situation if say by the January transfer window we appeared to be heading once again for 7th / 8th position? That could result in an unseemly rush to appoint a new manager and done in haste as was the last two appointments.

For the sake of Dalglish we would avoid the very unpleasant and undignified (for the club) sight of fans protesting (at worst) or very unpleasant situation (at best).

The solution is clear Kenny to voluntarily resign at the end of this season.

If you don’t believe the above is appropriate at this stage then give us the reasons why. Respect for the man is not an answer it should be based around progress of the club which is surely what we all care about most.

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