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Such as who? Who are you going to bring in? Thats FSG's job
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There is nobody better who's a realistic target....
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*double post*
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I think it’s fair to say very few Liverpool fans are happy with the current status of the club. People are divided on whether Kenny should stay or go this close season the pro Kenny group I might suggest are mainly in the doubter camp but prepared to give him another season.
This is why I believe this close season is the appropriate time.
Firstly my judgement is that he was not the owners choice initially he was forced upon them by circumstances prevailing at that time and to a certain extent for PR reasons.
The standards we have achieved are not those expected of Liverpool football club nor have the very expensive (above market value) signings delivered and at least half look like they never will.
Were we to persist with Dalglish what would be the situation if say by the January transfer window we appeared to be heading once again for 7th / 8th position? That could result in an unseemly rush to appoint a new manager and done in haste as was the last two appointments.
For the sake of Dalglish we would avoid the very unpleasant and undignified (for the club) sight of fans protesting (at worst) or very unpleasant situation (at best).
The solution is clear Kenny to voluntarily resign at the end of this season.
If you don’t believe the above is appropriate at this stage then give us the reasons why. Respect for the man is not an answer it should be based around progress of the club which is surely what we all care about most.
There are many reasons to get rid of a manager at any club at any time but we must look at certain aspects.FSG have also a key role to play here in that what targets were set and what is the timescale for these targets to be acheived. They currently have spent a modest sum over three transfer windows 37mil or 12.3mil per window is not particulary on the man city scale of things which suggests the project is very much long term. Players selected and bought have been younger and hungrier than those departed although arguably not better(yet). Therefore the clamber to get rid of one man seems unlikely as the cost of compensation to Kenny and his staff is high(8.5ml to Hodgson and he is one man). The new manager would inherit a younger side but one whos value colectively does not currently represent the outlay last year. So any new manager would want new staff, more funds and plenty of time to change the team. Isn't that what we did last year with Kenny? I sense that FSG want a return but they are not busy fools either, every penny will be spent with an eye on it's long term value. FSG since the takeover have moved slowly but decisively at each step and certainly been adverse to making knee jerk decisions. There is as shown the other night massive support behind Kenny from players and fans so FSG would have to feel a real need to change - the argument of transfer flops aimed at Kenny has started to alleviate as Henderson and inparticular Carroll have shown real promise in recent weeks and look good players. The burning question is whether a new manager would firstly be satisfied in managing a club on a modest budget with high ambitions and a relatively young squad? I would suggest we are in the Martinez/Rodgers area rather than the Mourinho/Guardiola area. So FSG must ask themsleves do they want to gamble on a new manager, new staff, possible clearout again. All evidence would suggest no, unless FSG want to really go full steam akin to Man City. My view is clear, Dalglish is the right man for at least another year. The summer will offer few arrivals and departures and thus alow the club to truly prepare for next season. So to just get rid might initially make some fans feel better there is no real logic to it. Excellent post, a lot of solid sound logic at play there. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Kenny given another season. I'm still split as to whether he's the right man or not, but I'd be willing to see him given another season, and give him my backing during it. If, at the end of it, he hasn't taken us any further, then I'd have no regrets about seeing him stepping aside. I firmly believe in all honesty that given another season, we will move forward. Whether the steps taken forward are enough to get us into the top 4 or not, I don't know. If we miss out again, then even with slight progress made, I don't think it will be enough. I think 4th has to be the prime objective for next season - not just challenging for 4th. I think Stan just mentioned his contract running down - was he given a 2 year deal? If so, I think that was wise. Too many managers are given 3-4 year deals these days. I don't think many managers deserve that unless they've already been at the club for at least a couple of seasons. Just one point I'm not sure I agree on, cp - you suggested a possible budget of £10-15m plus sales of approx. £15m. Who do you think we'll get that for? Kuyt, Maxi and Aurelio will most likely all leave for free. IF Aquilani and Joe Cole are sold, we may possibly get that much for both of them combined, but I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of them out on a season loan again (much to my annoyance).
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There is nobody better who's a realistic target.... And you know this....how excatly ? Do you constantly scour world football?
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You don't have a reasonable replacement in mind either! You want to sack him for the sake of it! When you can't answer someone properly you just try and be a smart ar*e
I think reasoning is lost on you, you can't argue with stupidity...
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You don't have a reasonable replacement in mind either! You want to sack him for the sake of it! When you can't answer someone properly you just try and be a smart ar*e
I think reasoning is lost on you, you can't argue with stupidity... So I have discovered
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Any team manager of the teams on top of us are realistic. replacement
because they still spend lesser than KD especially Pardew.
Same goes manager for teams from postion 9 to 12 because they have nothing to spend yet the points are close or equal to us.
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Vacancy: Liverpool Manager
Brief Description of Role: has to a world class manager to come into our mid table team, spend little to no money and break us into the top four in your first season. Winning a trophy for our mid table team will not be satisfactory in our hunt for progress. You must be a tactical genius, a wonder in the transfer Market and most importantly Stanley park must approve of your credentials.
Apply in writing to...
Stanley Park
8 Deluded place
Winners road
Fergie fan camp
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I think it’s fair to say very few Liverpool fans are happy with the current status of the club. People are divided on whether Kenny should stay or go this close season the pro Kenny group I might suggest are mainly in the doubter camp but prepared to give him another season.
This is why I believe this close season is the appropriate time.
Firstly my judgement is that he was not the owners choice initially he was forced upon them by circumstances prevailing at that time and to a certain extent for PR reasons.
The standards we have achieved are not those expected of Liverpool football club nor have the very expensive (above market value) signings delivered and at least half look like they never will.
Were we to persist with Dalglish what would be the situation if say by the January transfer window we appeared to be heading once again for 7th / 8th position? That could result in an unseemly rush to appoint a new manager and done in haste as was the last two appointments.
For the sake of Dalglish we would avoid the very unpleasant and undignified (for the club) sight of fans protesting (at worst) or very unpleasant situation (at best).
The solution is clear Kenny to voluntarily resign at the end of this season.
If you don’t believe the above is appropriate at this stage then give us the reasons why. Respect for the man is not an answer it should be based around progress of the club which is surely what we all care about most.
There are many reasons to get rid of a manager at any club at any time but we must look at certain aspects.FSG have also a key role to play here in that what targets were set and what is the timescale for these targets to be acheived. They currently have spent a modest sum over three transfer windows 37mil or 12.3mil per window is not particulary on the man city scale of things which suggests the project is very much long term. Players selected and bought have been younger and hungrier than those departed although arguably not better(yet). Therefore the clamber to get rid of one man seems unlikely as the cost of compensation to Kenny and his staff is high(8.5ml to Hodgson and he is one man). The new manager would inherit a younger side but one whos value colectively does not currently represent the outlay last year. So any new manager would want new staff, more funds and plenty of time to change the team. Isn't that what we did last year with Kenny? I sense that FSG want a return but they are not busy fools either, every penny will be spent with an eye on it's long term value. FSG since the takeover have moved slowly but decisively at each step and certainly been adverse to making knee jerk decisions. There is as shown the other night massive support behind Kenny from players and fans so FSG would have to feel a real need to change - the argument of transfer flops aimed at Kenny has started to alleviate as Henderson and inparticular Carroll have shown real promise in recent weeks and look good players. The burning question is whether a new manager would firstly be satisfied in managing a club on a modest budget with high ambitions and a relatively young squad? I would suggest we are in the Martinez/Rodgers area rather than the Mourinho/Guardiola area. So FSG must ask themsleves do they want to gamble on a new manager, new staff, possible clearout again. All evidence would suggest no, unless FSG want to really go full steam akin to Man City. My view is clear, Dalglish is the right man for at least another year. The summer will offer few arrivals and departures and thus alow the club to truly prepare for next season. So to just get rid might initially make some fans feel better there is no real logic to it. Excellent post, a lot of solid sound logic at play there. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to see Kenny given another season. I'm still split as to whether he's the right man or not, but I'd be willing to see him given another season, and give him my backing during it. If, at the end of it, he hasn't taken us any further, then I'd have no regrets about seeing him stepping aside. I firmly believe in all honesty that given another season, we will move forward. Whether the steps taken forward are enough to get us into the top 4 or not, I don't know. If we miss out again, then even with slight progress made, I don't think it will be enough. I think 4th has to be the prime objective for next season - not just challenging for 4th. I think Stan just mentioned his contract running down - was he given a 2 year deal? If so, I think that was wise. Too many managers are given 3-4 year deals these days. I don't think many managers deserve that unless they've already been at the club for at least a couple of seasons. Just one point I'm not sure I agree on, cp - you suggested a possible budget of £10-15m plus sales of approx. £15m. Who do you think we'll get that for? Kuyt, Maxi and Aurelio will most likely all leave for free. IF Aquilani and Joe Cole are sold, we may possibly get that much for both of them combined, but I wouldn't be surprised to see at least one of them out on a season loan again (much to my annoyance). I think cole,aquiliani,maxi,kuyt,pacheco,wilson,jones will all leave the club for a maximum of 15million. the wages on the first four alone will save us a fortune. then club will top upto about 30mil. Also heard that if a 15mil+ offer come in for Johnson that he could also be let go, although Kenny likes him.
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